Craft Brewery Saturation Point: Not If But When
Moderators: BlackDuck, Beer-lord, LouieMacGoo, philm00x, gwcr
- ScrewyBrewer
- Uber Brewer
- Posts: 1544
- Joined: Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:11 pm
- Location: Monmouth County, New Jersey
- Contact:
Craft Brewery Saturation Point: Not If But When
Four years ago I had to drive an hour to drink draft beer from a local craft brewery, today there are at least 5 new breweries within a 30 minute drive from where I live. The smallest brewery is a 1 barrel system and the largest brewery is a 50 barrel system. In my mind it's not if there will be brewery closings in the area but when. This is my take on the craft beer breweries in the New Jersey shore area.
ezRecipe 'The easy way to awesome beer!'
'Give a man a beer and he'll waste an hour, teach him to brew beer and he'll waste a lifetime'
'Give a man a beer and he'll waste an hour, teach him to brew beer and he'll waste a lifetime'
Re: Craft Brewery Saturation Point: Not If But When
Will history repeat itself? Correct me if I'm wrong here. Before prohibition, the way I understand it, most breweries were of the smaller type (what we call craft today) until they started to merge into the big breweries we know today. Back in the day most breweries were of the smaller scale type, each region had its own versions of beer, which we now have again.
Re: Craft Brewery Saturation Point: Not If But When
I've often wondered the same thing because what goes up, must come down, right?
PABs Brewing
Re: Craft Brewery Saturation Point: Not If But When
I think it's definitely a bubble. Not long ago, I was proud of the dozen breweries in my county. Now there are 19, with more in the works. We don't have that many townships, though we do have over 1 million people. So, there will be a contraction, and more consolidation. Some of the fascination is a fad (cigars came and went, food styles, etc) But we'll never go back to just 100, or even a thousand breweries. The horse has left the barn, people want great beer. I expect I'll always have micros within easy driving.
Making beer and stew for the Zombie Apocalypse.
Never mind, there it is.
Never mind, there it is.
- ScrewyBrewer
- Uber Brewer
- Posts: 1544
- Joined: Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:11 pm
- Location: Monmouth County, New Jersey
- Contact:
Re: Craft Brewery Saturation Point: Not If But When
I've gotten to know several brewery owners in the area here and it's really interesting to hear their take on the the process of opening a brewery. Two owners I spoke with had spent 2 1/2 years preparing to go into the brewing business. It's hard enough guessing at what the marketplace will look like a year from now, but I remember in 2013, when they first started the process it looked nothing like it does today. The competition for tap space at bars is so fierce right now that a few of the brewers aren't even brewing IPA's, which were a staple of any brewery's lineup not long ago. In fact another large brewery is slated to open this Spring, not far from the fabled 'Stone Pony' of Bruce Springsteen fame, as if the market wasn't already crowded.
ezRecipe 'The easy way to awesome beer!'
'Give a man a beer and he'll waste an hour, teach him to brew beer and he'll waste a lifetime'
'Give a man a beer and he'll waste an hour, teach him to brew beer and he'll waste a lifetime'
Re: Craft Brewery Saturation Point: Not If But When
Different markets, different saturation. I live in a county with some 82 local craft breweries ( http://washingtonbeer.com/breweries/ ). Local distilleries are numbering 14 currently. Could be a bubble ready to burst, but local laws make it relatively easy to open up a small brewery. I'm sure there will be breweries closing & eager young home brewers buying their equipment & setting up new breweries as well. Not nearly as risky as opening a restaurant!ScrewyBrewer wrote:Four years ago I had to drive an hour to drink draft beer from a local craft brewery, today there are at least 5 new breweries within a 30 minute drive from where I live. The smallest brewery is a 1 barrel system and the largest brewery is a 50 barrel system. In my mind it's not if there will be brewery closings in the area but when. This is my take on the craft beer breweries in the New Jersey shore area.
Drinking: Columbus Double India Pale Ale
Bottled/Conditioning: Trippel
Fermenting: Columbus Double India Pale Ale, Trippel
Bottled/Conditioning: Trippel
Fermenting: Columbus Double India Pale Ale, Trippel
Re: Craft Brewery Saturation Point: Not If But When
I def think it is more of a quantity of beer than it is the number of breweries, you need to look at how much beer the breweries pre prohibition were making per the population to today's, it won't be direct since we as a country may drink more?
But breweries today def produce way more beer than the pre prohibition breweries
But breweries today def produce way more beer than the pre prohibition breweries
Third Eye Brewing
Since I am too lazy to update this every brew...I will update with list of awards
2013 Upper Mississippi Mashout
Gold medal 10A American Pale Ale
Bronze medal 10B American Amber Ale
2012 Upper Mississippi Mash out
Silver medal 3B European Amber Lager Oktoberfest
2012 National Homebrew Competition First round
Gold Medal 3B European Amber Lager Oktoberfest
2012 Minnesota State Fair Homebrew Competition
Gold Medal 3B European Amber Lager
Gold Medal 10A American Pale Ale
-3rd place Overall!
Since I am too lazy to update this every brew...I will update with list of awards
2013 Upper Mississippi Mashout
Gold medal 10A American Pale Ale
Bronze medal 10B American Amber Ale
2012 Upper Mississippi Mash out
Silver medal 3B European Amber Lager Oktoberfest
2012 National Homebrew Competition First round
Gold Medal 3B European Amber Lager Oktoberfest
2012 Minnesota State Fair Homebrew Competition
Gold Medal 3B European Amber Lager
Gold Medal 10A American Pale Ale
-3rd place Overall!
Re: Craft Brewery Saturation Point: Not If But When
Rebel B, last time I was in your parts, I met dudes that brew pico sized batches in their garage, and that stuff ends up on tap at a handful of pubs, and folks can go sample in their back yard if they want. And those dudes last I knew were not looking to upsize, they were just happy doing what they were doing. That's how some folks do it in the UK and other places in Europe. Small batches that just end up in local pubs, no big affiliation, and no desire to have one.
EDIT: They did not brew IPAs for the most part, mostly more like what the Brits would call "Real Ale". I'm sure that helps them get tap space. Something unique and tasty.
EDIT: They did not brew IPAs for the most part, mostly more like what the Brits would call "Real Ale". I'm sure that helps them get tap space. Something unique and tasty.
Re: Craft Brewery Saturation Point: Not If But When
Yup, many are content to brew the beers they love, share samples, & make a bit of $.mashani wrote:Rebel B, last time I was in your parts, I met dudes that brew pico sized batches in their garage, and that stuff ends up on tap at a handful of pubs, and folks can go sample in their back yard if they want. And those dudes last I knew were not looking to upsize, they were just happy doing what they were doing. That's how some folks do it in the UK and other places in Europe. Small batches that just end up in local pubs, no big affiliation, and no desire to have one.
EDIT: They did not brew IPAs for the most part, mostly more like what the Brits would call "Real Ale". I'm sure that helps them get tap space. Something unique and tasty.
Drinking: Columbus Double India Pale Ale
Bottled/Conditioning: Trippel
Fermenting: Columbus Double India Pale Ale, Trippel
Bottled/Conditioning: Trippel
Fermenting: Columbus Double India Pale Ale, Trippel
- RickBeer
- Brew Guru
- Posts: 3099
- Joined: Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:21 pm
- Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan (Go Blue!)
Re: Craft Brewery Saturation Point: Not If But When
It will be tough to determine how much fallout is the result of saturation, and how much is the result of poor business planning or poor business skills. In Ann Arbor, there are a huge number of restaurants per capita. There is a lot of turnover, sometimes in less than a year. Some is location, location, location. Some is poor business planning, like the "square food place" (I joke, but not far from it) that there was never a market for. Some are just lousy business people that spend a fortune renovating a spot, then open, and close at 9PM in a market dominated by college students... Major coffee place just closed in under a year and they shut their door at 9PM each night.
We've had a plethora of craft breweries open in the general area (still I think Grand Rapids is the largest concentration). Many are beer only, no food, bring your own if you want it. To me, given that munchies go with beer (especially to sop it up), no food is a mistake. Some have limited hours (like 4PM - 10PM weeknights, but not where the college crowds are). Some are very specialized, like sours only, or Belgians only. Most do little to no Marketing, which is an enormous mistake (says the marketer). Even some in Grand Rapids have out of date websites with broken links. If you build it, they will come, but only if you have it somewhat current and relevant. If you're too lazy to keep it current and working, at least answer your phone or I won't come (and I didn't while in Grand Rapids on our brewery tour).
So when they close, WHY will be a big question with no easy answers, but at least around here I don't think saturation will be too high on the list.
We've had a plethora of craft breweries open in the general area (still I think Grand Rapids is the largest concentration). Many are beer only, no food, bring your own if you want it. To me, given that munchies go with beer (especially to sop it up), no food is a mistake. Some have limited hours (like 4PM - 10PM weeknights, but not where the college crowds are). Some are very specialized, like sours only, or Belgians only. Most do little to no Marketing, which is an enormous mistake (says the marketer). Even some in Grand Rapids have out of date websites with broken links. If you build it, they will come, but only if you have it somewhat current and relevant. If you're too lazy to keep it current and working, at least answer your phone or I won't come (and I didn't while in Grand Rapids on our brewery tour).
So when they close, WHY will be a big question with no easy answers, but at least around here I don't think saturation will be too high on the list.
I have over 9,000 posts on "another forum", which means absolutely nothing. Mr. Beer January 2014 Brewer of the Month with all the pomp and circumstance that comes with it...
Certificate in Brewing and Distillation Technology
Sites to find beer making supplies: Adventures in Homebrewing - Mr. Beer - MoreBeer
Certificate in Brewing and Distillation Technology
Sites to find beer making supplies: Adventures in Homebrewing - Mr. Beer - MoreBeer
My Beer - click to reveal
- FedoraDave
- FedoraDave
- Posts: 4208
- Joined: Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:52 pm
- Location: North and west of the city
- Contact:
Re: Craft Brewery Saturation Point: Not If But When
I tend to think this is the most accurate assessment. A lot depends on the location, of course, and within the NY/NJ/CT tri-state, where John, Vince, and I live, the population density is a factor.John Sand wrote:I think it's definitely a bubble. Not long ago, I was proud of the dozen breweries in my county. Now there are 19, with more in the works. We don't have that many townships, though we do have over 1 million people. So, there will be a contraction, and more consolidation. Some of the fascination is a fad (cigars came and went, food styles, etc) But we'll never go back to just 100, or even a thousand breweries. The horse has left the barn, people want great beer. I expect I'll always have micros within easy driving.
There will be a saturation point, and craft brewpubs will come and go, but the phenomenon won't disappear from the landscape, any more than the other fads, such as cigars and food styles, have disappeared. There may be fewer of them, and they may be harder to find, but they'll be there.
Obey The Hat!
http://www.homebrew-with-the-hat.com
Some regard me as a Sensei of Brewing
http://www.homebrew-with-the-hat.com
Some regard me as a Sensei of Brewing
Fedora Brauhaus