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Re: Pale Lager?
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:37 am
by BrownstotheBone
O.K. I have a quick question. My basement in the winter is sitting RIGHT AT 55 degrees or less. I'm about to do my first Mr.Beer lager (La Vie Boheme) because of that, and I was wondering a few things.
1. Should I ferment the normal 3 weeks or longer in a LBK? (Saflager S-23 dry lager yeast) (my guess? 3 weeks?)
2. Should I condition the bottles at room temps or the same 55 degree basement? (my guess? Same 55 degrees?)
Anyone?
Re: Pale Lager?
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:46 am
by haerbob3
ferment till it is done. Lager yeasts take longer. When you get a couple of points from FG do a D-rest. Bottle and let sit at least 2 months @ ferment temp. True Lagers take longer than ales. Time & Patience are your best friends.
Re: Pale Lager?
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:10 am
by BrownstotheBone
haerbob3 wrote:ferment till it is done. Lager yeasts take longer. When you get a couple of points from FG do a D-rest. Bottle and let sit at least 2 months @ ferment temp. True Lagers take longer than ales. Time & Patience are your best friends.
Thank you very much. I knew this was going to be a bit of a challenge for me but that's why I wanted to do it.
Had to look up Diacetyl Rest. Any opinions on how long to do that? 4-6 days? Or after I take another FG and am sure it's done?
How about my normal cold crash? Would that still be a good idea before I bottle after the D-rest?
Should I pitch the yeast colder than an ale? (cool down the wort first?)
Re: Pale Lager?
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:53 pm
by philm00x
Usually about 3-4 days, but more accurately until the beer has reached FG, plus two days to ensure the yeast have had ample time to clean up diacetyl) is what I do. I don't know whether a cold crash is advisable or not with a lager. I did not do one. After fermentation is done, I primed the beer and bottled it. Conditioned at room temp for two weeks, then into the fermentation fridge to slowly bring the temperature down to about 37*F over the course of a week, and lager for a month (longer if it's a high gravity lager).
Re: Pale Lager?
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:32 pm
by BrownstotheBone
Thank you Philm00x. This one is a curve ball for me so I appreciate the info. Trying to read up as much as possible. More to it than I thought.
Re: Pale Lager?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:23 am
by pocketjr
haerbob3 wrote:K can you keep your wort between 50 - 59 F that is the yeasties happy place?
From Brewferm
LAGER
A sturdy lager yeast, delivering a consistent neutral fermentation with little or no Sulphur components or other undesirable by-products.
Flocculation: high.
Final gravity: low.
Fermentation temperature: 10-15°C.
Dosage: 3-6 g/10 l.
From Norther Brewer
Manufacturer Brewferm
Yeast Format Dry
Yeast Type Lager
Yeast Origin/Influence Germany/Czech Rep.
Min Fermenting Temp 50
Max Fermenting Temp 59
Not without a fridge unfortunately.
I guess I'll put this kit away for awhile, and just keep practicing with ales until I can save enough for a fermentation fridge.
Re: Pale Lager?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:03 am
by swenocha
Or... you could buy a kolsch yeast (or other clean ale yeast like Notty) and use the kit with that... IMHO, it's better to use the ingredients while they are fresher...
Re: Pale Lager?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:46 pm
by pocketjr
swenocha wrote:Or... you could buy a kolsch yeast (or other clean ale yeast like Notty) and use the kit with that... IMHO, it's better to use the ingredients while they are fresher...
Oh damn… I never thought of that
Re: Pale Lager?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:06 pm
by haerbob3
a California ale yeast would be nice too