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Re: Prevent hop pellets from completely disintegrating
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:36 am
by Gymrat
mashani wrote:duff wrote:I gave up using hop sacks and started using funnel that has a mesh screen to filter out the stuff I don't want in the fermenter.
I do make sure that the wort is cooled into the 70s Fahrenheit before I put it into the funnel so that I don't aerate the hot wort.
Out of curiosity, have you ever actually gotten HSA to happen that makes you worry about it? For real as opposed to something we read on some web site as a theoretical problem? My impression is that real HSA simply isn't gonna happen for most folks. I've certainly never gotten it to happen and I've abused hot wort plenty of times, and I have aged some of those beers for a year or more. Anchor brewing actually uses a German brewing device of some sort to aerate their hot wort on purpose between their lauter tun and their fermenters, it's in the 140s-150s when they do this I believe. I think unless your keeping your beer around for more then a couple of years before you drink it it's probably a non-issue. I don't worry about it anymore.
EDIT: OT, I use muslin hop sacks for early additions, and usually go commando with late additions. I've not really had all the hops in a hop sack find their way out before. I never "fill" the hop sack, I always leave lots of space for the hops to expand.
John Palmer said in a pod cast HSA is not something to be concerned about.
Re: Prevent hop pellets from completely disintegrating
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:40 am
by philm00x
If Palmer says it, it's gotta be fine!
Re: Prevent hop pellets from completely disintegrating
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:32 pm
by gwcr
Gymrat wrote:I go commando and pour from my kettle to my buckets through this
Commando all the way for me too. I have that same strainer, and it looks remarkably similar when I'm done pouring...
Re: Prevent hop pellets from completely disintegrating
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:07 pm
by haerbob3
Monty, out of curiosity. Your objective in keep hop particulates out of the wort?? By the very processes used to manufacture hop pellets they are basically a dust. Leaf hops are crushed by a hammer mill and extruded as pellets. The only time I use a sack is when making a hop bomb beer (16 oz or more of hops/5 gal). Pouring through a strainer catches pretty much all of the junk. A lot of brew-shops sell a dual mesh strainer. How about a Hop Spider??
Re: Prevent hop pellets from completely disintegrating
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:26 pm
by Beer-lord
This weekend when doing my Pliny, and all the hops were commando, I not only used a strainer but I attached a hop sack to the valve and caught a good amount of hop funk and grain particles. It took no time at all to fill the bag (which I did squeeze to get all the hop goodness out) and the strainer caught the rest.
There are times when I strain into 1 fermenter and then, to help aerate as well as remove more, I strain into a second fermenter. Sure, I do have an extra bucket to clean but it's help aerate and clear a bit better.
Personally, cloudy beers don't bother me.
Re: Prevent hop pellets from completely disintegrating
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:38 pm
by Kealia
haerbob3 wrote:The only time I use a sack is when making a hop bomb beer (16 oz or more of hops/5 gal).
Do you serve that with a fork?
Re: Prevent hop pellets from completely disintegrating
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:37 pm
by haerbob3
nope a spoon ya don't want to miss a drop!!
Guaranteed to a Lite Beer Drinker cry
and to craft brew drinker
Re: Prevent hop pellets from completely disintegrating
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:36 am
by monsteroyd
haerbob3 wrote:Monty, out of curiosity. Your objective in keep hop particulates out of the wort?? By the very processes used to manufacture hop pellets they are basically a dust. Leaf hops are crushed by a hammer mill and extruded as pellets. The only time I use a sack is when making a hop bomb beer (16 oz or more of hops/5 gal). Pouring through a strainer catches pretty much all of the junk. A lot of brew-shops sell a dual mesh strainer. How about a Hop Spider??
Yes that is it basically. And you are right, pellets are basically hop dust. I think I got a few bags as hop sacks, but the weave on them is not as tight as the weave on another couple of bags (which are also a little bigger) that I have. I am using these tight weave bags as basically a hop spider by tying them to the handle of the pot so I can get them out after the boil. I did this with the smaller, larger weave bags and all of it got out through the weave. So they are maybe going to be used for larger grained stuff. I'd like to know what the weave on the good bags is called, the weave on the not so good bags is nylon, but more like a muslin weave, where the weave on the good bags is simple, kind of a straight forward what you would think of a weave being (dang can't explain it) but very tight, and also nylon.
simple weave:
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muslin weave:
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That kind of shows what I mean. Sort of. In a way.
Monty
Re: Prevent hop pellets from completely disintegrating
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:41 pm
by haerbob3
I know what you mean I have a bag like that. I used for PM'ing my grains back in the day. It is the bag for when I make one of those hop-bomb beers. I also use whole hops more now so I do not clog up may kettle screen
Re: Prevent hop pellets from completely disintegrating
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:49 pm
by Kealia
mashani wrote:Anchor brewing actually uses a German brewing device of some sort to aerate their hot wort on purpose between their lauter tun and their fermenters, it's in the 140s-150s when they do this I believe.
Not to derail the thread, but "true dat". I took the Anchor tour about 2 years ago and asked them about this when they explained it. I believe the machine is called a "Gant" or "Gantt". I've tried Google but am having trouble finding it right now. I asked the tour guide and he confirmed that it's pumped hot and then aerated before it's cooled. If I could search the MrB boards I might be able to find my write-up post-tour.
Re: Prevent hop pellets from completely disintegrating
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:03 pm
by RickBeer
Kealia wrote:mashani wrote:Anchor brewing actually uses a German brewing device of some sort to aerate their hot wort on purpose between their lauter tun and their fermenters, it's in the 140s-150s when they do this I believe.
Not to derail the thread, but "true dat". I took the Anchor tour about 2 years ago and asked them about this when they explained it. I believe the machine is called a "Gant" or "Gantt". I've tried Google but am having trouble finding it right now. I asked the tour guide and he confirmed that it's pumped hot and then aerated before it's cooled. If I could search the MrB boards I might be able to find my write-up post-tour.
site:community.mrbeer.com/community/discussion-forums%20anchor%20brewing%20aerate 
Re: Prevent hop pellets from completely disintegrating
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:45 pm
by duff
haerbob3 wrote:Monty, out of curiosity. Your objective in keep hop particulates out of the wort?? By the very processes used to manufacture hop pellets they are basically a dust. Leaf hops are crushed by a hammer mill and extruded as pellets. The only time I use a sack is when making a hop bomb beer (16 oz or more of hops/5 gal). Pouring through a strainer catches pretty much all of the junk. A lot of brew-shops sell a dual mesh strainer. How about a Hop Spider??
Did that beer look like my hop crazy one did while it boiled? Even with what I left in the pot and pouring it through a strainer the wort in the fermenter was so green I thought I was going to have a St Patricks day beer. But it ended up clearing nicely.
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Re: Prevent hop pellets from completely disintegrating
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:38 am
by mashani
That pictures is making me drool.
Re: Prevent hop pellets from completely disintegrating
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:42 pm
by Crazy Climber
Gymrat wrote:I go commando and pour from my kettle to my buckets through this
Gymrat - does that strainer catch only the hop sludge, or does it snag "The Brain," too?