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I'm gonna call this one GODZILLA!

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:10 am
by jpsherman
So Monday was a good day to bottle then brew a new batch, but I had no extract to work with so I headed over to the outdoor store 1/2 a mile from my house. My LHBS is closed on Mondays, which is typical for a lot of the downtown shops in my town. The outdoor store has only very limited Mr.Beer selection, and I might be the only one that buys that kind of stuff there (and I only go there when I'm in a pinch). They turnover their Mr.Beer inventory so slowly they still sell a deluxe three pack with 1.21# cans of Whispering Wheat, Ocktoberfest Vienna, and HCCD with 3 booster packs.

I brought it home to realize the use by date was 7 months ago! So my inner Dr. Frankenstein convinced me to throw all 3 cans in plus a bag of booster. I was a bit worried that the yeast was too old, so I threw in an extra 2g pack of yeast I had in the fridge. And for good measure I tossed in some Saaz, and Tettnanger at flame-out, because I had them in my inventory for a long time, and always seemed to be brewing beers that wouldn't use noble hops.

I know this is crazy Frankenbeer territory. I will not be bummed if this turns out weird/gross. I just wanted to make a beer that could defend Tokyo from King Ghidora. It might smash up the place a bit, but stuff happens.

Re: I'm gonna call this one GODZILLA!

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:28 am
by mashani
Hey, I am supposed to be the frankenbier master LOL.

But I actually would bet that it turns out to be a beer of some sort, especially if you can keep your hands off of it for 3+ months.

Re: I'm gonna call this one GODZILLA!

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:39 am
by jpsherman
I have a system of how I rotate my beers on my beer shelf (I work in retail/grocery/food service I can't help it) and big beers simply don't get moved to the drinking shelf until the appropriate time. I've got some doppelbock that hasn't moved for months.

Re: I'm gonna call this one GODZILLA!

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 5:33 pm
by Brewbirds
I'm thinking that you won't be very understandable when you post the review on that one if I'm reading this right. :laugh
Is the yeast you used going to survive the alcohol content that I think I'm seeing here? :wow:

Sounds like you got a sipper in the works. :freeze: :banana:

Re: I'm gonna call this one GODZILLA!

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:23 pm
by DaYooper
I am guessing you made a 5 gallon batch with all those fermentables?

Re: I'm gonna call this one GODZILLA!

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:48 pm
by jpsherman
Ha!

This thing is Godzilla because it went in my LBK!

Should be well over 9%

Re: I'm gonna call this one GODZILLA!

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:02 pm
by philm00x
I have a feeling you may need to pitch more yeast than the downunda packets, with that kind of ABV. better yeast. something that can handle high gravity, high alcohol.

Re: I'm gonna call this one GODZILLA!

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:48 pm
by mashani
He's no worse off then the old "Novacaine" recipe, assuming he pitched all the yeast packs. That did eventually make pretty good beer, it just takes 6-8 months of sitting in the bottles to really reach it's peak.

That old yeast is probably Fermentis S-33. We though this before, but it's pretty certain since Brew Demon has actually acknowledged that their yeast is S-33, and they are basically selling re-packaged pre-coopers Mr. Beer stuff.

S-33 can handle the alcohol fine, but it's unlikely to attenuate much above 70%. That's not because of the alcohol, it's just how it is when fermenting more complex malt sugars, and old canned extract is going to have a good bit of Maillard reaction that occurred and is not going to ferment as well as really fresh stuff.

That's probably OK since he used 3 HMEs, there's more then enough IBUs to balance it I think.

Extra yeast would of course be helpful, but it still should ferment out at least up to that 70% level.

Re: I'm gonna call this one GODZILLA!

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:00 pm
by jpsherman
I pitched the packets from all 3 cans, plus a packet from an old MR.Beer I had in the fridge.

The day after pitching I went down to check on it and the keg was actually warm to the touch, almost hot. For the amount of malt I used it barely krausened, so I was worried the yeast were stressed out too much.

I had a discount old High Grav Trappist smackpack in the fridge with no plans, so today I used it to make sure this beer finishes.

Re: I'm gonna call this one GODZILLA!

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:34 pm
by jpsherman
Wow! This thing actually tastes pretty good after 18 days in the bottle, and its been a long time since I've sampled anything less than 4 weeks old.

Noticed a cap was domed and there was a crack in the cap, so I decided to drink it before it exploded or depressurized.

Head retention is zero, and a bit under carbed, but good body.

Color is on the border between amber and dark.

Starts out a bit coffee-like, but all that malt gave it enough sweetness to cut the bitterness a bit.

Nice spicy, citrus flavor. Good aroma also!

Can't wait to retaste this once the booster conditions out!

Re: I'm gonna call this one GODZILLA!

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:47 pm
by Banjo-guy
Did you figure out the ABV?

Re: I'm gonna call this one GODZILLA!

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:00 pm
by jpsherman
Only came out about 7%.

My math was off because I forgot that you need the hme+booster to get 3.7%, and I only used 1 booster, not 3.

Also my FG was high by .01, even after sitting in the keg for 4 weeks. This could have been over 8%.

Re: I'm gonna call this one GODZILLA!

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:01 pm
by Banjo-guy
I just started a frankenbrew that had an OG of 1.082. The estimated abv is 8.2.
I used two packs of the Mr. Beer yeast. I rehydrated one of them. It will be interesting to see if the yeast can handle that gravity.
I just wanted to use up the yeast that I had on hand because the brew was my second AG and it was not a good brew day. I didn't want to waste a good yeast on this one.

If it stalls i'm not sure what I should do. I'll keep an eye on it.
It sounds like yours worked out.

Re: I'm gonna call this one GODZILLA!

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:19 pm
by wollffy
Those kind of brews sound fun. Basically just stock that you guys are trying to use up?

Re: I'm gonna call this one GODZILLA!

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:41 pm
by Banjo-guy
wollffy wrote:Those kind of brews sound fun. Basically just stock that you guys are trying to use up?

Yes, I was using up two unused Mr.Beer kits.

I'm done using kits now and just wanted to use up what I had left over. It turned out to be a decent beer!