Nano Brewery Startup
Moderators: BlackDuck, Beer-lord, LouieMacGoo, philm00x, gwcr
- Funky Skunk Brewing
- Fully Fermented
- Posts: 394
- Joined: Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:03 pm
- Location: Otto, NC
- Contact:
Nano Brewery Startup
Many of you may or may not know that myself and a partner are currently in the planning stages of a nano brewery here in Pensacola Florida. Targeting a winter 2014 opening date. I just wanted to share with the borg what we are doing, how we are doing and sharing the adventures (and paperwork) with everyone.
Firstly, we have no intention at the moment of distributing our beers locally or anywhere else, as this takes something bigger than we are wanting this project to become. We are focusing on the brewery/tap room itself for the time being.
We have five beers selected to begin with, those are our Devil's Tail Amber Ale, Liberty APA, AmeriWheat, Port O' Call Porter & 7 Dolls Mexican Cerveza.
Early last year, before a family tragedy occurred we hosted 10 tasting events around the Pensacola area to better understand what beers people liked the most. Starting with more than the five listed above, it was narrowed down to these beers to move forward with. Two of which (Amber Ale & Liberty APA) have each won medals in several competitions around the U.S. We actually have another tasting scheduled for mid to late March coming up so we are brewing up all our beers for that as well, for what we will open the brewery up with on tap.
Where We Are Now
Paperwork, paperwork and yes...More paperwork. Opening and operating a brewery/tap room has a lot of codes, licenses, fees taxes, etc. that go along with it, before you can even think about firing up your system to brew on. We have applied for a C.O.P. license here in Florida. Which is a Consume On Premises license. Meaning that we can brew and sell our beer, for onsite consumption. What they call a 'Brewpub' license. It touts an annual fee of $500.00. Basically meaning this:
- Beer brewed is for consumption on the premises only, no distribution or off-premise sales
- Maximum of 5000bbls/10,000 kegs annual production
We are also in the process of obtaining the following permits/licenses: Business License(s), Local zoning, Federal Brewers Permit, Florida Brewers Permit as well as health code permits pulled for the building(s) we have narrowed down to try and secure for this project. All-in-all the majority of this paperwork has to be done so Uncle Sam can collect his $0.06 on every pint sold and $0.48 on every gallon of beer brewed. Those being the excise taxes on beer. Basically we will sell all points for $5.00, meaning we'll end up pocketing $4.56 after the sales and excise taxes are taken out and paid to the government.
We currently have three spaces in mind and are going to visit one tomorrow with the listing agent. All are roughly the same size, ranging from 1,000 sqft to 1,700 sqft. All three are in the $450-$750 per month range (depending on the size), including utilities. Which is a major bonus for a brewery, with all the water we will be using. The buildings are basically industrial types, with a big roll up door opening to the biggest part of the space. With an office and bathroom area making up the other usage of the space. We would need to add a cool room, storage room and fermentation room, as well as building a blocking wall separating the brewery, from the tap room area and bar, as this is a must in a brewpub. The government wants to keep patrons away from "untaxed" beer.
The Brewhouse
We are currently about 90% away from having everything on this list, so this in effect will be what we will begin brewing on when we open.
(3) 55 gallon Bilchman kettles for the HLT, Mash Tun and Brew kettle (all electric)
The HLT and Boil Kettle will have (2) 5500 watt heating elements
Therminator Wort Chiller
Electric Brewery 50A Control Panel will run the show
Steelhead Pumps
(10) 40 Gallon Minibrew Conical Fermenters
This list is obviously just the tip of the iceberg of all the equipment that will either need to be purchased or that we already have purchased. With the brewery costs for equipment, ingredients, building materials, licensing and permit fees. We have come to a figure (plus 10%) around $25-30K.
That in a nutshell is what we are moving towards and current at with this project. Just wanted to share it with the
Firstly, we have no intention at the moment of distributing our beers locally or anywhere else, as this takes something bigger than we are wanting this project to become. We are focusing on the brewery/tap room itself for the time being.
We have five beers selected to begin with, those are our Devil's Tail Amber Ale, Liberty APA, AmeriWheat, Port O' Call Porter & 7 Dolls Mexican Cerveza.
Early last year, before a family tragedy occurred we hosted 10 tasting events around the Pensacola area to better understand what beers people liked the most. Starting with more than the five listed above, it was narrowed down to these beers to move forward with. Two of which (Amber Ale & Liberty APA) have each won medals in several competitions around the U.S. We actually have another tasting scheduled for mid to late March coming up so we are brewing up all our beers for that as well, for what we will open the brewery up with on tap.
Where We Are Now
Paperwork, paperwork and yes...More paperwork. Opening and operating a brewery/tap room has a lot of codes, licenses, fees taxes, etc. that go along with it, before you can even think about firing up your system to brew on. We have applied for a C.O.P. license here in Florida. Which is a Consume On Premises license. Meaning that we can brew and sell our beer, for onsite consumption. What they call a 'Brewpub' license. It touts an annual fee of $500.00. Basically meaning this:
- Beer brewed is for consumption on the premises only, no distribution or off-premise sales
- Maximum of 5000bbls/10,000 kegs annual production
We are also in the process of obtaining the following permits/licenses: Business License(s), Local zoning, Federal Brewers Permit, Florida Brewers Permit as well as health code permits pulled for the building(s) we have narrowed down to try and secure for this project. All-in-all the majority of this paperwork has to be done so Uncle Sam can collect his $0.06 on every pint sold and $0.48 on every gallon of beer brewed. Those being the excise taxes on beer. Basically we will sell all points for $5.00, meaning we'll end up pocketing $4.56 after the sales and excise taxes are taken out and paid to the government.
We currently have three spaces in mind and are going to visit one tomorrow with the listing agent. All are roughly the same size, ranging from 1,000 sqft to 1,700 sqft. All three are in the $450-$750 per month range (depending on the size), including utilities. Which is a major bonus for a brewery, with all the water we will be using. The buildings are basically industrial types, with a big roll up door opening to the biggest part of the space. With an office and bathroom area making up the other usage of the space. We would need to add a cool room, storage room and fermentation room, as well as building a blocking wall separating the brewery, from the tap room area and bar, as this is a must in a brewpub. The government wants to keep patrons away from "untaxed" beer.
The Brewhouse
We are currently about 90% away from having everything on this list, so this in effect will be what we will begin brewing on when we open.
(3) 55 gallon Bilchman kettles for the HLT, Mash Tun and Brew kettle (all electric)
The HLT and Boil Kettle will have (2) 5500 watt heating elements
Therminator Wort Chiller
Electric Brewery 50A Control Panel will run the show
Steelhead Pumps
(10) 40 Gallon Minibrew Conical Fermenters
This list is obviously just the tip of the iceberg of all the equipment that will either need to be purchased or that we already have purchased. With the brewery costs for equipment, ingredients, building materials, licensing and permit fees. We have come to a figure (plus 10%) around $25-30K.
That in a nutshell is what we are moving towards and current at with this project. Just wanted to share it with the
Re: Nano Brewery Startup
I wish you all the best. While it seems to be getting easier to open nano breweries in some areas, I've read just how much of a pain the paperwork is and the hoops you have to jump thru.
I'm not too very far from you so maybe one day I'll pass by and enjoy some of your good beers. Keep us updated.
I'm not too very far from you so maybe one day I'll pass by and enjoy some of your good beers. Keep us updated.
PABs Brewing
Re: Nano Brewery Startup
Good luck with it all FSB. Chase the dream.
The Nong Brewery defines "Fermentation" as: Making "Rot" a Good Thing
Welcome to the BeerBorg Information Center. You will be assimilated. Resistance is Quite Futile: WE have BEER.
Welcome to the BeerBorg Information Center. You will be assimilated. Resistance is Quite Futile: WE have BEER.
Re: Nano Brewery Startup
Thanks for the update FSB. I enjoyed following your posts at that other site we use to visit.
Naked Cat Brewery On Tap
Re: Nano Brewery Startup
Pretty exciting! We have a couple of nanos in my small hamlet. Well, one selling, one in progress. And a dozen micro and nano breweries in our county, plus several brew pubs. I read frequently on HBT of guys opening new breweries. I hope it goes well, promotes the local economy and good beer.
Drink locally, think whatever you want!
Drink locally, think whatever you want!
Making beer and stew for the Zombie Apocalypse.
Never mind, there it is.
Never mind, there it is.
Re: Nano Brewery Startup
Good luck to you!
- FrozenInTime
- FrozenInTime
- Posts: 2807
- Joined: Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:19 pm
- Location: Frozen Tundra
Re: Nano Brewery Startup
Good luck with the endeavor! Hope you do well and accomplish your dream!
Life is short, live it to it's fullest!
Re: Nano Brewery Startup
Looks great. Good Luck! And WOW, there really is a lot of paperwork.
ANTLER BREWING
Drinking
#93 - Gerst Amber Ale
Conditioning and Carbing
Fermenting
On Deck
Drinking
#93 - Gerst Amber Ale
Conditioning and Carbing
Fermenting
On Deck
- Ibasterd
- Brew Master
- Posts: 699
- Joined: Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:29 pm
- Location: In the shadow of the Mouse.
Re: Nano Brewery Startup
This sounds great! I sometimes dream about quitting my real job and becoming a brewer. I am relatively close to you, so I will have to check things out once you get settled in. Good luck.
What is best in life?" "To crush your enemies -- See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!"
Re: Nano Brewery Startup
We all dream about something like this. My problem is that I don't have the balls to do it. That plus I'm not sure how many people would really like the beer I make.
PABs Brewing
- Funky Skunk Brewing
- Fully Fermented
- Posts: 394
- Joined: Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:03 pm
- Location: Otto, NC
- Contact:
Re: Nano Brewery Startup
Hey, you and me both actually. I have toyed with the idea for some time now -- Apparently I grew bigger balls and am going for it. The tastings helped narrow down what people did like and what they didn't like. Beers in competitions also helped greatly there too as we received the tasting sheets, etc. Once we knew we had what we wanted and others wanted, we decided to take the plunge.Beer-lord wrote:We all dream about something like this. My problem is that I don't have the balls to do it. That plus I'm not sure how many people would really like the beer I make.
Now comes all the paperwork, paperwork and more paperwork part. Though the TTB has tried to limit this and most (if not all) is 100% online now, stating they target a 65 day turnaround on most applications. The kicker is you HAVE to have a building before they will even acknowledge you want to start a brewery. You cannot even prepare any paperwork (with the TTB) without your location. That's why the building is our biggest concern as of right now.
Called and spoke to the listing agent earlier today and setup a showing for tomorrow around 1:00 to look at a 1,000 square foot building. Talked to her about what we want to do and she had to speak with the landlords to see if they are "OK" with a brewery going in or not. If so, the showing will go forward -- If not, back to the building hunt.
Hoping they are good with it as the lease is only $450 per month and the landlord pays for the water, maintenance & landscaping. Plus, the building already has 240v power ran throughout it. It's almost the perfect setup for us.
Re: Nano Brewery Startup
I think the tasting is one of the smartest things I've read. I've actually read posts of a guy starting a brewpub and planning to brew sours and other exotic styles that most drinkers have never heard of. You're not going out on a limb, nor guessing. You tested your brews on your potential market.
Making beer and stew for the Zombie Apocalypse.
Never mind, there it is.
Never mind, there it is.
- Funky Skunk Brewing
- Fully Fermented
- Posts: 394
- Joined: Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:03 pm
- Location: Otto, NC
- Contact:
Re: Nano Brewery Startup
Thanks, John. It just made sense to us to do tastings in the beginning. No bother to go further if no one liked the beers we were brewing. It just did not make good business or economical sense to start that way. We will brew other beers (obviously) as the brewery takes shape and hopefully grows. Though in the beginning we narrowed it down to these five beers to move forward with, based on the responses from the tastings and score sheets from various competitions.John Sand wrote:I think the tasting is one of the smartest things I've read. I've actually read posts of a guy starting a brewpub and planning to brew sours and other exotic styles that most drinkers have never heard of. You're not going out on a limb, nor guessing. You tested your brews on your potential market.
Re: Nano Brewery Startup
Sounds great! Really hopeful for your success. If I'm ever down that way (and I'd like to be) I'll definitely stop in for a pint. Or two.
Making beer and stew for the Zombie Apocalypse.
Never mind, there it is.
Never mind, there it is.
- Rayyankee
- Fully Fermented
- Posts: 257
- Joined: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:48 pm
- Location: central CA foothills of the southern sierras
Re: Nano Brewery Startup
Good Luck with this. I remember your posts from the old site am glad to see your still going through with your plans.