Wrye American

[jimjohson]

this Is my first shot @ a rye beer what do y'all think?

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Recipe: Wrye American
Brewer: Jim Johnson
Asst Brewer:
Style: American Wheat or Rye Beer
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 6.22 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.72 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.50 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.50 gal
Estimated OG: 1.052 SG
Estimated Color: 5.9 SRM
Estimated IBU: 20.2 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 74.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 74.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
5 lbs Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 1 43.5 %
5 lbs Rye Malt (4.7 SRM) Grain 2 43.5 %
1 lbs Corn, Flaked (1.3 SRM) Grain 3 8.7 %
8.0 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 4 4.3 %
0.35 oz Hallertauer [4.80 %] - First Wort 60.0 m Hop 5 6.6 IBUs
0.50 oz East Kent Goldings (EKG) [5.00 %] - Boil Hop 6 5.4 IBUs
0.50 oz Fuggle [4.50 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 7 4.9 IBUs
0.50 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 10.0 mins) Fining 8 -
0.50 oz East Kent Goldings (EKG) [5.00 %] - Boil Hop 9 1.8 IBUs
0.50 oz Fuggle [4.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 10 1.6 IBUs
1.0 pkg Nottingham (Danstar #-) [23.66 ml] Yeast 11 -


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, No Mash Out
Total Grain Weight: 11 lbs 8.0 oz
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 14.38 qt of water at 159.1 F 148.0 F 75 min

Sparge: Fly sparge with 4.01 gal water at 168.0 F
Notes:
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[Beer-lord]

Interesting. The flaked corn has me intrigued. Seen this mentioned a few times and wondered about it. I don't know for sure but maybe add a bit of white wheat????

[jimjohson]

Thanks Beer-Lord the white wheat helped to lower my srm I replaced American 2 row with MO to try to lighten it up. you fixed that problem. I started using the flaked corn 'cause a extract kit I bought wanted to add 1 lb of corn sugar to get the corn taste...screw sugar! I replaced it with flaked corn in the steep, liked the flavor so been adding it to any American brew I make. i.e. an APA. as a believable adjunct. I however won't use it out of style. Meaning not in say a German style brew, as it would violate the Reinheitsgebot. But that's just me I tend to be anal about that stuff

[Brewbirds]

Rye can be tricky and most everything I've read says 10 to 25 percent of your grain bill.
We use it a lot,just made a RyePA yesterday, my favorite.
You can mix and match different types of rye (malt, flaked, choclate etc.) for different color and flavor profiles.
We use flaked wheat in rye beers a lot, never used the corn but I think the corn is supposed to have a pretty strong grainy flavor and that might mask/conflict with the rye.

You might like this article on brewing with Rye:

http://morebeer.com/brewingtechniques/l ... ayden.html

[jimjohson]

Thanks Birds, good read I not only read but saved to read again. fwiw I got 2 recipes I use corn and rye haven't noticed the corn masking the rye or if it is because of the large % the rye still comes thru. it changes your perception of the IBUs though. most folks think my Bengal in the Rye is a way higher ibu beer than 22 it is. good idea about the flaked rye I'll check the lhbs haven't noticed it but haven't been looking for it either

[Brewbirds]

No problem JJ I hope it helps as I am a confessed rye addict and frustrate BB2 by wanting to put it in any/every thing.

Looking forward to future posts on this one.

[jimjohson]

well this will be the third recipe with rye for me. so I guess i'm gonna have to confess to a rye addiction soon.

[JimH]

well this will be the third recipe with rye for me. so I guess i'm gonna have to confess to a rye addiction soon.

Do we need to stage an intervention?

Your recipe is quite interesting. I like the idea of the corn, and I do like rye. Never used rye, but the store bought stuff gives a very interesting profile. Let us know how this turns out, I may need to copy it!

[jimjohson]

well this will be the third recipe with rye for me. so I guess i'm gonna have to confess to a rye addiction soon.

Do we need to stage an intervention?

I can just see it "hi I'm jim and I'm a ryeaholic"

[jimjohson]

ok here's the final recipe of the first version. later versions (assuming no malt changes indicated) will be using various hops till I find the ones that work for me.

BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Wrye American
Brewer: Jim Johnson
Asst Brewer:
Style: American Wheat or Rye Beer
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Boil Size: 6.22 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.72 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.50 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.50 gal
Estimated OG: 1.052 SG
Estimated Color: 5.8 SRM
Estimated IBU: 20.2 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 64.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 74.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
4 lbs Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 1 33.3 %
4 lbs Rye Malt (4.7 SRM) Grain 2 33.3 %
2 lbs White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 3 16.7 %
8.0 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 4 4.2 %
8.0 oz Corn, Flaked (1.3 SRM) Grain 5 4.2 %
0.35 oz Hallertauer [4.80 %] - First Wort 60.0 m Hop 6 6.6 IBUs
0.50 oz East Kent Goldings (EKG) [5.00 %] - Boil Hop 7 5.4 IBUs
0.50 oz Fuggle [4.50 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 8 4.8 IBUs
0.50 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 10.0 mins) Fining 9 -
0.50 oz East Kent Goldings (EKG) [5.00 %] - Boil Hop 10 1.8 IBUs
0.50 oz Fuggle [4.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 11 1.6 IBUs
1.0 pkg Nottingham (Danstar #-) [23.66 ml] Yeast 12 -


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, No Mash Out
Total Grain Weight: 11 lbs
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 13.75 qt of water at 168.8 F 148.0 F 75 min

Sparge: Fly sparge with 4.10 gal water at 168.0 F
Notes:
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[jimjohson]

the first attempt is ready...it's good but east kent and fuggle aren't giving a good complimentary flavor. I'm thinking perhaps Liberty, I belive the profile says something like; floral bouquet that has essence of spice. So how bout it you ryeaholics, think it'll be a good hop choice?

[dbrowning]

I only use liberty for flavor and aroma hops in my rye beers
Usually magnum for bittering
But I LOVE my Liberty RyePA

[mashani]

the first attempt is ready...it's good but east kent and fuggle aren't giving a good complimentary flavor. I'm thinking perhaps Liberty, I belive the profile says something like; floral bouquet that has essence of spice. So how bout it you ryeaholics, think it'll be a good hop choice?

EKG and Fuggles are often used together in English beers with good results. But I've not tried that combo in a rye beer. Although I'm pretty sure Terrapin Rye Pale Ale uses both of those along with Amarillo.

[jimjohson]

educate me. I thought a bitter hop didn't really matter as long as you hit the expected ibus so the flavor and aroma could make up the rest. i.e. if I wanted to hit say 35 IBUs I'd only bitter to 27-30 and bring it up the rest of the way with flavoring hops. I thought you only got bitter, no flavor, from a bitter boil. as a result I don't really care about the bittering hops as long as the alpha is high enough to not need more than a oz to hit the intended IBUs. am I mistaken in this belief?

mashani I guess it didn't come out like it sounds in my head...I like ekg and fuggles just not in a rye, apparently . that is probably why I didn't really care for the Terrapin Rye Ale much. it's not that I hate it, the beer I mean, I just think another hop would be better suited to the rye.

[DaYooper]

educate me. I thought a bitter hop didn't really matter as long as you hit the expected ibus so the flavor and aroma could make up the rest. i.e. if I wanted to hit say 35 IBUs I'd only bitter to 27-30 and bring it up the rest of the way with flavoring hops. I thought you only got bitter, no flavor, from a bitter boil. as a result I don't really care about the bittering hops as long as the alpha is high enough to not need more than a oz to hit the intended IBUs. am I mistaken in this belief?

I would have to say it USUALLY wont matter if you have a decent amount of aroma and flavor, but if it is singled hopped it would.

Many people also say you can pick up on smooth bittering vs harsh bittering. I personally havent noticed this but I have never tried a back to back comparisson of the same beer with different bittering.

I do remember there was a big discussion on this a little while ago.