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Ron's note on this beer says it's one he found on the HBT forum of a batch that has no bitter hop addition but all late additions. I've not seen the recipe but I like to review without really knowing much about the beer.
It poured almost burnt orange, small head but it stayed throughout the beer. Maybe a bit over carbed for me but I think many beers are overcarbed so it's probably just me.
I don't get much aroma but I do get some mild citrus/orange aroma. There is a bit of a bite up front that I like and it surprises me. But, there is a spice type flavor that I can't quite tell what it is. It's not an off flavor, just one I don't know if it is part of the recipe and might be a slight extract twang.

The beer is so clear you can read a newspaper behind it! It's clean and light and at 5%ABV, low enough that you can drink lots of them. It's hard to believe it's a short run recipe and that there are no bittering hops. The hops don't stand out but the balance is there and that really surprised me.
The only slight I can give the beer is the up front, spice type flavor which again, is not bad, just not expected in a pale ale. And I wonder if more conditioning time will see it lessen.

As always, thanks Ron for sharing and allowing me to share my feelings about your good beers.

I noticed that spice flavor as well in the beer, I thought it was intentional, and liked what it brought to the overall flavor.

I wasn't sure if it was planned or not and I wasn't saying it was an off flavor. I'm not sure any off flavor could taste as good as a spice flavor. No way would I have a problem with this beer. Only problem I had was it's all gone.

OK...you forced me into drinking mine. Be back shortly with my thoughts.

I'm back...with beer in hand. Paul's description is really good. Not a whole bunch of hop aroma, but it's a tasty beer. I see what your saying on the spiciness. But for me, it's not a bad thing at all. I like this beer. It's the kind of beer I like to drink when I'm looking for just a nice tasty beer to relax with. It's the kind I could enjoy a few of.

For a quick brewed pale, this is right on!!! Well done Ron!

The only thing I can think of is the Falconer's Flight dry hop adding that touch of spicy to it.
The entire recipe is just DME + some steeped crystal.
Cascade at 15 and then again at 5. Dry hopped with FF and fermented with US-05.
I get it too but couldn't put a finger on the description but I think spiciness is a good call out.

I'm not sure I like the FF hops too much, but I'll definitely brew this again when I have limited time and need a quick pipeline filler.
What this recipe did do for me is verify that the recipe/method will turn out a decent session ale.

Thanks for the note guys. Sometimes when I can't nail down a taste it's great to have others chime in and tell me what it is.

Thanks for being guinea pigs, boys.

I could see dry hopping with cascade, but why dry hop with a hop not in the profile? I mean dry hopping is only aroma right? or, and the more likely, have I got this whole dry hopping thing wrong?

You are correct, it's only for aroma. Since this was an experimental batch and process I figured I would use it to test these hops as well. It wasn't my original plan, but I decided to check them out when I saw them at my LHBS and since a few people here talk about them. I'm familiar enough with Cascade to know what it was going to taste like so I didn't mind throwing this variable into the mix.

So I have to guess that the spiciness is from that aroma, that is translating into a bit of taste. Or perhaps some of the Cascades that I had were starting to age a bit and added a little sumpin' sumpin;.

I'm curious if you guys would liken the "spiciness" you got as clove?

I got a hint of some (spiciness) on my version of an RCE collab and I eventually likened it to clove but there was no place in the recipe that I could see where that should have turned up re: yeast selection etc.

I wouldn't call it clove at all. I don't like a lot of clove and this isn't off putting at all. For me, the aroma was almost like a Belgian yeast had been used, but it didn't carry over to the taste.

(On a related note, I like my hefs heavy on the banana side and can't drink them if they are heavy clove)

I had a chance to enjoy mine last night. It poured a nice amber orange with a nice tan head that left some lacing on the glass. I got citrus on the nose, sweet tangerine if I had to narrow it down. A nice up front bite that dissipated as the malt came through. I said this tastes like my Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, so I went and poured a small glass of it. Damn these are the same beers, aroma, mouth feel and taste. The difference being that mine is All Grain and took 5 hours instead of the hour for Ron's. This will make me rethink this the next time I go to brew it.
Same beer at one fifth the time, oh heck yeah. On top of that I LOVE the label. Loved it so much it is now a permanent fixture in my brew room.

Kealia wrote:I wouldn't call it clove at all. I don't like a lot of clove and this isn't off putting at all. For me, the aroma was almost like a Belgian yeast had been used, but it didn't carry over to the taste.

(On a related note, I like my hefs heavy on the banana side and can't drink them if they are heavy clove)

This is it! I did a bad job of communicating this beer but I think the Belgian flavor is definitely what I got.

Jeff, that's awesome. I'm honored that I earned a spot in the brewery.
And it should taste a lot like Sierra Nevada....it's all Cascade except for the dry hop. I haven't had one in a while, but if it's that close that is pretty cool.

See Paul, if we could all get together for some beers we could hammer all this stuff out together. We could rule the world!

Kealia wrote:(On a related note, I like my hefs heavy on the banana side and can't drink them if they are heavy clove)

You don't say....i've got something for you then.

Kealia wrote:Jeff, that's awesome. I'm honored that I earned a spot in the brewery.
And it should taste a lot like Sierra Nevada....it's all Cascade except for the dry hop. I haven't had one in a while, but if it's that close that is pretty cool.

See Paul, if we could all get together for some beers we could hammer all this stuff out together. We could rule the world!

Well, in my neck of the woods, I already rule the world. Dogs and cats bow to me when I walk the streets. Women show themselves to me and even the rats stop in their tracks and allow me to pass free.
But enough about me, what is it you need me to do?