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Grodziskie (Grätzer) Anyone?

Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:49 pm
by BigPapaG
Grodziskie is a Polish beer style that as been making a comeback over the last few years but was virtualy extinct for quite a few decades. It is also known in German as Grätzer.

While not an official BJCP style (it can be entered as Category 23 - Specialty Beer), it is an official Commercial style and is listed in the Brewer's Association Style Guidelines for 2014. (It might have been added in 2013 I think...)

Anyway, it relies on Oak Smoked Wheat Malt and Noble Hops, and is fermented cool with Ale yeast.

Typically 2.8-3.8 ABV, low to medium noble hop bitterness, and signature oakiness, this is a refreshing summer wheat style. The oakiness is not hammy like a Rauschbeer, it's more enjoyable IMHO as I am usually not a fan of heavily oaked beers. That's another reason I chose to use some Wheat LME as part of the grain bill.

The recipe I designed looks like this... (Note: 3 gallon recipe)

(Note: I was using up hops I had and some Wheat LME so while I hit my Pre-boil Mash OG perfectly at 1.020, I had a bit more Wheat LME so my OG ended up at 1.045 so I just added a bit more water prior to pitching to bring the FINAL OG to: 1.038 and probably a total volume of 3.8 gallons.)

You Say Grätzer, I Say Gradziskie! (3 gallon version)

Specialty Beer:

Partial Mash (3.30 gal) ABV: 3.56 %
OG: 1.036 SG FG: 1.009 SG
IBUs: 47.0 IBUs Color: 4.5 SRM

By: BigPapaG

Ingredients:

3.30 gal WNY (2013) Water

8.0 oz - Pale Malt (6 Row) US: Mash addition (12.1%) - 2.0 SRM

2.0 oz - Carafoam: Mash addition (3.0%) - 2.0 SRM

2 lb - Oak Smoked Wheat Malt: Mash addition (48.5%) - 2.8 SRM

1.00 oz - Hallertauer Mittelfrueh: Boil 60 min (29.3 IBUs)

1.00 oz - Tettnang: Boil 20 min (17.7 IBUs)

0.33 tsp - Yeast Nutrient: Boil 10 min

1 lb 8.0 oz - Wheat Liquid Extract: Boil 10 min (36.4%) - 8.0 SRM

1 pkg - German Ale: Wyeast Labs #100

1.98 tsp - Isinglass (Liquid): Secondary 7 days


Profiles for Recipe:

Mash Profile: Temperature Mash, 2 Step, Medium Body

Fermentation profile: Standard Ale Single Stage Fermentation

My Carbonation Profile: 2.2-2.9 vCO2

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Re: Grodziskie (Grätzer) Anyone?

Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:58 pm
by FrozenInTime
Definitely looks interesting. Keep us updated plz, might have to give it a go.

Re: Grodziskie (Grätzer) Anyone?

Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 9:28 pm
by John Sand
Looks good. I haven't tried or brewed any. There are two pages on it in The Home Brewer's Guide to Vintage Beer, including a recipe. His is 100% Smoked Wheat Malt, Lublin and Fuggles hops, and Kolsch yeast.

Re: Grodziskie (Grätzer) Anyone?

Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 9:42 pm
by BigPapaG
Yup, I have seen everythig from Kolsch yeast, S-33, German Ale... I decided on the German Ale yeast for mine... I guess because it's a true top cropping yeast and it would do well at 66*F.

And it's 'supposed to be' 100% Oak Smoked Wheat... But I had the Wheat LME to use up and am not a big fan of smoked beers to begin with... So... I cheated.

As I indicated, I had the hops (although I did check my LHBS and there was no Lublin to be found).

Was gonna use Styrian Goldings which is quite Fuggle-like, but I thought it might muddy the smoke, so I went with the German Tettnang which should work nicely. The Hallertau Mittlefrau adds a bit of floral and is just nice!

I tried the SA Longshot Grätzer and decided to give this a try based on that.

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Re: Grodziskie (Grätzer) Anyone?

Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 12:10 am
by mashani
I believe I would like your version much more then the real thing. I really don't like smoked beer, it's about the only style of beer I just can't get into.

I bet that beer would be good with Hersbrucker too, unless the tobacco like notes from it make it seem too much like smoking a cig.

Re: Grodziskie (Grätzer) Anyone?

Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 12:58 am
by BigPapaG
Yeah, me too... I seem to be able to drinkone smoked beer, and find that's about it for a while.

So the design here hopes to achieve a more subtle level of smoke, thus providing a more balanced experience.

I've got a pound of the malt left and might steep some in an IPA for some depth...

Was also thinking it would add something to a porter too.

Anyway, not a fan of hersbrucker either... Love the Mittlefrau though...

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Re: Grodziskie (Grätzer) Anyone?

Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 8:25 am
by John Sand
All sound reasoning. No one likes muddy smoke. :)
Palmer advises caution with smoked malts. I think you are striking a good balance. Let us know.

Re: Grodziskie (Grätzer) Anyone?

Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 2:54 pm
by BigPapaG
Caution: Beer Pron

Here she is on Day 2 in all her smokey goodness...

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Re: Grodziskie (Grätzer) Anyone?

Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 3:01 pm
by Beer-lord
Oh wow! That's some good looking stuff there.

Re: Grodziskie (Grätzer) Anyone?

Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 3:03 pm
by BigPapaG
Thanks Paul, hope so...

That 1007 German Ale Yeast is tearing it up... Took up almost all the headspace in the fiver and it was only a three gallon batch...

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Re: Grodziskie (Grätzer) Anyone?

Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 3:07 pm
by Beer-lord
I'm really fond of the 1007. Let's the malts and hops shine and is very clean tasting. I love it with rye malts and pilsner. Never tried smoked wheat malt. Your tongue is going to love you for this.

Re: Grodziskie (Grätzer) Anyone?

Posted: Fri May 23, 2014 4:12 pm
by BigPapaG
Ok, been three weeks since I started this...

Was probably done over a week ago but I wanted it to clear more... And it did...

Also, it went from 1.039 ish to 1.011, not bad... About 3.7% ABV... And only 133 calories per 12oz.

Here's the hydro sample ready for consumption!

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It tastes great!

Now remember, I'm not a real fan of smoked beers, and I've had a few...

There is quite the aroma of oak smokiness and the taste is light, wheaty and oak-laden.

Initially very smooth with a sharp oak bite near the middle and a lightly smokey finish.

Can't wait to try this once it's carbed and cold!

I think it's a success!

EDIT: Update: I need to add this... I refilled the glass before finishing up and asked SWMBO to try it... Now mind you, she really didn't like a commercial one she tried a month ago... I explained she might not like this one as it's the same style... And it's flat and warm too...

So, she gave it a sniff, then a double sniff and to my surprise she quaffed it down in one gulp like a pro! She said: "Well, it's not bad... Not my favorite style though, but it's good."

I'm thrilled even though I almost hit the floor when she said it!

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Re: Grodziskie (Grätzer) Anyone?

Posted: Fri May 23, 2014 8:50 pm
by John Sand
Great!

Re: Grodziskie (Grätzer) Anyone?

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:04 pm
by BigPapaG
Here's a first pour pic of my Grodziskie...

Taste is great...

As you can see, it's wheat cloudy... Good white head... Thins out after a bit to a thin white covering...

Aroma is oak smoke and wheat... Maybe just a tiny bit of bread, but I don't think the clean German Ale yeast is contributing much there...

Taste is fantastic... And I don't like smoke beers... Generally... This one is lightly smoky and wheaty... Not at all hammy due to the oak wood used as opposed to beachwood... And it's a sharper smoke character...

Very refreshing!

Good body and mouthfeel for only being 3.7%...

Smooth up front, some smoke bite in the middle with a faint lingering on the finish that calls you back for another sip!

Not bad, IIMSS... Not bad at all! I will be making this again and will probably keg it for the heat of summer!

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