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Oops, Forgot to Bleed the Keg
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:13 am
by BlackDuck
I kegged my Session Simply Simarille yesterday. Finished around 1 in the afternoon. Later in the evening, as I was was all snug in my bed, and just about to fall asleep, it popped in my head....damn, I forgot to bleed the keg. So I get up and head down to the basement and pull the release valve a couple of times.
So the keg sat in the fridge at 12 psi for about 9 hours before I bled the oxygen out and replaced it with CO2. I wonder if the 9 hours of being on gas would force the O2 that was in the head space of the keg into suspension? Hope it doesn't do anything to my beer.
Re: Oops, Forgot to Bleed the Keg
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:22 am
by John Sand
I think you'll be fine.
Do you flush the keg with CO2 first? Or use it to pressure sanitizer through? I do that, then fill, pressurize and chill. I don't vent and don't get oxidized beer.
Re: Oops, Forgot to Bleed the Keg
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:31 am
by Gymrat
bleed the keg? What is this "bleed the keg" of which you speak?
Re: Oops, Forgot to Bleed the Keg
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:38 am
by BlackDuck
John....I kind of pressurize first. After the keg kicks, I clean and sanitize, then pressurize. But for some reason this time, I sanitized again right before filling. So whatever Co2 that was in there was probably removed when I dumped the sanitizer out.
Gymrat...After I fill the keg and hook up the gas and open the line up to start the gas flow in, I open the pressure release valve a couple of times to replace the oxygen in the headspace of the keg with Co2. Thus, removing all O2 from the inside of the keg.
We shall see. I'm sure it will be fine, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that has done this. Just wanted to hear what you all thought.
Re: Oops, Forgot to Bleed the Keg
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:40 am
by Gymrat
BlackDuck wrote:John....I kind of pressurize first. After the keg kicks, I clean and sanitize, then pressurize. But for some reason this time, I sanitized again right before filling. So whatever Co2 that was in there was probably removed when I dumped the sanitizer out.
Gymrat...After I fill the keg and hook up the gas and open the line up to start the gas flow in, I open the pressure release valve a couple of times to replace the oxygen in the headspace of the keg with Co2. Thus, removing all O2 from the inside of the keg.
We shall see. I'm sure it will be fine, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that has done this. Just wanted to hear what you all thought.
Do you do anything to remove the 02 from the beer itself? If not wouldn't that eventually work it's way out and into the head space?
Re: Oops, Forgot to Bleed the Keg
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:41 am
by BlackDuck
No I don't. Not sure how that would work.
Re: Oops, Forgot to Bleed the Keg
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:57 am
by Gymrat
I saturate my beer with C02 by taking the out post "off" and putting the "in" post in it's place, then putting my CO2 on very low pressure and letting it bubble for about 30 seconds or so. I am sure this would force the 02 out as well. I just started doing this as a way to carbonate my beer faster.
Re: Oops, Forgot to Bleed the Keg
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:06 pm
by BlackDuck
I see....I've never done that before.
Re: Oops, Forgot to Bleed the Keg
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:20 pm
by bpgreen
Gymrat wrote:BlackDuck wrote:John....I kind of pressurize first. After the keg kicks, I clean and sanitize, then pressurize. But for some reason this time, I sanitized again right before filling. So whatever Co2 that was in there was probably removed when I dumped the sanitizer out.
Gymrat...After I fill the keg and hook up the gas and open the line up to start the gas flow in, I open the pressure release valve a couple of times to replace the oxygen in the headspace of the keg with Co2. Thus, removing all O2 from the inside of the keg.
We shall see. I'm sure it will be fine, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that has done this. Just wanted to hear what you all thought.
Do you do anything to remove the 02 from the beer itself? If not wouldn't that eventually work it's way out and into the head space?
There shouldn't be any oxygen in the beer at the end of fermentation. The yeast use it at the start to synthesize sterols and unsaturated fatty acids during the reproductive phase, but one they use up the oxygen, fermentation takes off.
Re: Oops, Forgot to Bleed the Keg
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:00 pm
by Kealia
Don't lose any sleep Chris. I've forgotten to do that a few times that I can recall and never had any issues. You have nothing to worry about.
Re: Oops, Forgot to Bleed the Keg
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:11 pm
by Whamolagan
You will be fine, as for using the dip tube for a co2 injector, I can see that working a low PSI, but without a stone at higher psi, the co2 just goes to the headspace and force carbs from the top. A carb wand uses a step PSI schedule to speed up carbonation. But if it works for you, it works for you. As stated before, there will be no o2 left in the beer after fermentation. The yeast will have used that up within the first 24 hours.
Re: Oops, Forgot to Bleed the Keg
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:14 pm
by Inkleg
Kealia wrote:Don't lose any sleep Chris. I've forgotten to do that a few times that I can recall and never had any issues. You have nothing to worry about.
^This^
Re: Oops, Forgot to Bleed the Keg
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:48 pm
by BlackDuck
Thanks everyone...I appreciate all the comments.
Re: Oops, Forgot to Bleed the Keg
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:01 pm
by Gymrat
bpgreen wrote:Gymrat wrote:BlackDuck wrote:John....I kind of pressurize first. After the keg kicks, I clean and sanitize, then pressurize. But for some reason this time, I sanitized again right before filling. So whatever Co2 that was in there was probably removed when I dumped the sanitizer out.
Gymrat...After I fill the keg and hook up the gas and open the line up to start the gas flow in, I open the pressure release valve a couple of times to replace the oxygen in the headspace of the keg with Co2. Thus, removing all O2 from the inside of the keg.
We shall see. I'm sure it will be fine, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that has done this. Just wanted to hear what you all thought.
Do you do anything to remove the 02 from the beer itself? If not wouldn't that eventually work it's way out and into the head space?
There shouldn't be any oxygen in the beer at the end of fermentation. The yeast use it at the start to synthesize sterols and unsaturated fatty acids during the reproductive phase, but one they use up the oxygen, fermentation takes off.
Re: Oops, Forgot to Bleed the Keg
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:03 pm
by Gymrat
bpgreen wrote:Gymrat wrote:BlackDuck wrote:John....I kind of pressurize first. After the keg kicks, I clean and sanitize, then pressurize. But for some reason this time, I sanitized again right before filling. So whatever Co2 that was in there was probably removed when I dumped the sanitizer out.
Gymrat...After I fill the keg and hook up the gas and open the line up to start the gas flow in, I open the pressure release valve a couple of times to replace the oxygen in the headspace of the keg with Co2. Thus, removing all O2 from the inside of the keg.
We shall see. I'm sure it will be fine, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that has done this. Just wanted to hear what you all thought.
Do you do anything to remove the 02 from the beer itself? If not wouldn't that eventually work it's way out and into the head space?
There shouldn't be any oxygen in the beer at the end of fermentation. The yeast use it at the start to synthesize sterols and unsaturated fatty acids during the reproductive phase, but one they use up the oxygen, fermentation takes off.
You will get some oxygen in your beer as you transfer from fermenter to keg. It is unavoidable.