Black and Tan - my life story...
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Black and Tan - my life story...
Kidding, but I just went through some learning that I thought I would convey.
I have this memory, probably built on over the years, of a Black and Tan where the bartender twirled a bent spoon and made the Black swirl throughout the Tan and when I drank it I recall some tastes in parts of my mouth, some in others. It was very good.
I forgot all about that when I started brewing. Then thought of it on occasion, but never did anything about it. Then, a few months back, I bought another kit on CL for $10 that included an LBK, ten 25 oz bottles, a Classic American Light (yuch), and an Irish Stout. Pretty good deal. I decided to make a true Black and Tan, and sought the advice of Mr. Beer's current brewmaster, Josh. Two questions - 1) How do I turn CAL into something I might drink and 2) What's the trick to keeping the levels separate, vs. blended?
Josh gave me a simple steeping grain list to convert the CAL - with two goals. First, make it taste ok. Second, make the final gravity HIGHER than the Irish Stout so that the Tan sinks while the Black rises. I added 1/4 pound of Carapils, 1/2 pound of Crystal 60, and a pound of light LME. And I used Windsor yeast instead of the Mr. Beer yeast, so I would get lower attenuation and a higher FG. For the Stout I added a pound of LME and used the Mr. Beer yeast. CAL ended up with an FG of 1.019, and the Stout ended at 1.015. Yesterday was 3 days in the fridge after 4 weeks in bottles.
I also bought a device designed to make a true Black and Tan called The Perfect Black and Tan Layering Tool.
Yesterday was D-Day, so I opened one of each and proceeded to fill 1/2 of each glass with the Tan, then use the layering tool to pour the black. The result - 90% mixed together... FAILURE.
My son and I sat there drinking them and speculating. Maybe the Black should be on the bottom? Maybe we poured too fast through the tool (shouldn't matter, holes are holes). So for the next round, we filled one glass 1/2 way with Tan, and one 1/2 way with Black, and tried again. This time SUCCESS! The secret was pouring the Tan with a head on it to cushion the Black (I've also read that if the Black is warmer it works better too).
Here is the result: I'm not in love with it, the Tan isn't great, but it's neat that I got it to work and will be looking for new Tan's in the months to come. Hope this learning helps someone else.
I have this memory, probably built on over the years, of a Black and Tan where the bartender twirled a bent spoon and made the Black swirl throughout the Tan and when I drank it I recall some tastes in parts of my mouth, some in others. It was very good.
I forgot all about that when I started brewing. Then thought of it on occasion, but never did anything about it. Then, a few months back, I bought another kit on CL for $10 that included an LBK, ten 25 oz bottles, a Classic American Light (yuch), and an Irish Stout. Pretty good deal. I decided to make a true Black and Tan, and sought the advice of Mr. Beer's current brewmaster, Josh. Two questions - 1) How do I turn CAL into something I might drink and 2) What's the trick to keeping the levels separate, vs. blended?
Josh gave me a simple steeping grain list to convert the CAL - with two goals. First, make it taste ok. Second, make the final gravity HIGHER than the Irish Stout so that the Tan sinks while the Black rises. I added 1/4 pound of Carapils, 1/2 pound of Crystal 60, and a pound of light LME. And I used Windsor yeast instead of the Mr. Beer yeast, so I would get lower attenuation and a higher FG. For the Stout I added a pound of LME and used the Mr. Beer yeast. CAL ended up with an FG of 1.019, and the Stout ended at 1.015. Yesterday was 3 days in the fridge after 4 weeks in bottles.
I also bought a device designed to make a true Black and Tan called The Perfect Black and Tan Layering Tool.
Yesterday was D-Day, so I opened one of each and proceeded to fill 1/2 of each glass with the Tan, then use the layering tool to pour the black. The result - 90% mixed together... FAILURE.
My son and I sat there drinking them and speculating. Maybe the Black should be on the bottom? Maybe we poured too fast through the tool (shouldn't matter, holes are holes). So for the next round, we filled one glass 1/2 way with Tan, and one 1/2 way with Black, and tried again. This time SUCCESS! The secret was pouring the Tan with a head on it to cushion the Black (I've also read that if the Black is warmer it works better too).
Here is the result: I'm not in love with it, the Tan isn't great, but it's neat that I got it to work and will be looking for new Tan's in the months to come. Hope this learning helps someone else.
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Re: Black and Tan - my life story...
Excellent job
Re: Black and Tan - my life story...
Wow, While I've never had one when I was in England or even in any of the English or Irish Pubs that I used to frequent, I always wondered how they did that.
Thanks, Tony
Thanks, Tony
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Re: Black and Tan - my life story...
Nice job Rick and interesting too as me and my brew buddy were just talking about Black and Tans yesterday when he came up to bottle his batch of MB beer. He use to be a bartender many years ago and we were talking how we could make one, you added a lot of good insight to this....
On a side note, my other partner in my avatar with me is a real Black and Tan
On a side note, my other partner in my avatar with me is a real Black and Tan
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These are two that I have fermenting now and they just might be a B&T experiment once bottled
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Re: Black and Tan - my life story...
Looks good. Make sure they differ in FG with the Tan higher.
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Not sure what the final numbers will be, but as of now when I racked the bourbon/oak porter last week it was at 1.018 and just Racked the Kolsch a little while ago and didn't take a reading but expect that to finish around 1.010 or so...Both should be good beers in their own, but I would like trying to mix a few as you did. That looked really cool.
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You can always do a Tan and Black instead of a Black and Tan!
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yup or just drink them one at a time, or one then the other, or......... well the possibilities are all good I guess I'll see what floats on what if I try this,,,,,,,, but yours looks very good and looks like fun to try. TY for sharing......RickBeer wrote:You can always do a Tan and Black instead of a Black and Tan!
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Re: Black and Tan - my life story...
I don't think mixing in the stomach is the same...
Just remember that the higher FG goes in first, and is the bottom, and pour a head on it. Then slowly pour the top. Spoon if you have no tool, bent if you have an old one.
Just remember that the higher FG goes in first, and is the bottom, and pour a head on it. Then slowly pour the top. Spoon if you have no tool, bent if you have an old one.
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I should try this with my porter and cream ale. Good science experiment
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