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ezBrewingWater-RO©

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:27 pm
by ScrewyBrewer
In my never ending quest, to make brewing water chemistry easier to use for the common man, I present to you ezBrewingWater-RO©.

The motivation for creating yet another water chemistry calculator was to simplify the process as much as possible, by limiting the source water used to just reverse osmosis or distilled water. Sorry, but if you believe in the accuracy of your local water reports, or you are adverse to buying RO or distilled water, then ezRO may not be for you.

But if you like accuracy, and ease of use in your brewing water calculator, then I encourage you to take ezRO out for a test drive. See for yourself how well it stacks up against it's predecessors, you will be amazed how easy it is to setup and use, even for a water profile novice.
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Click here to download ezBrewingWater-RO©

Re: ezBrewingWater-RO©

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:35 pm
by Beer-lord
Awesome! Thanks for this. I'll play with this for next week's brewday and see how it compares to the others I use.
May I ask how this compares to EZ Water and Bru'n Water (if you've used them) regarding the calculations? Not that I understand those but I've had mixed results.
Really appreciate you sharing this!!!!!

Re: ezBrewingWater-RO©

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:45 pm
by Beer-lord
Vince, I matched your nifty program with EZWater and Bru'n Water and yours and EZ are almost dead on. Brun' water is off quite a bit but the last few beers I made, Bru'n Water didn't match up with my actual PH and I prefer EZ Water. Yours is so much easier to use. Fast and it appears, accurate.
I'll let you know how it goes next Friday.
Thanks again.

Re: ezBrewingWater-RO©

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:59 pm
by ScrewyBrewer
Beer-lord wrote:Vince, I matched your nifty program with EZWater and Bru'n Water and yours and EZ are almost dead on. Brun' water is off quite a bit but the last few beers I made, Bru'n Water didn't match up with my actual PH and I prefer EZ Water. Yours is so much easier to use. Fast and it appears, accurate.
I'll let you know how it goes next Friday.
Thanks again.
You are most certainly welcome. The changes included in ezRO are a compilation of experimental data provided by Kai Troester and conversations that I had with A.J. deLange regarding the DI pH values of different grains. I have used Bru'n Water, ezWaterCalculator, Kaizer Water Calculator (see Brewer's Friend), Palmer's Water Adjustment Calculator and a few others. I have found that the main differences, dismissing discrepancies due to rounding of numbers, between most of the calculators out there have to due with the way they compute the DI pH values of the grains used in a recipe.

I think the more you get to play around with ezRO the more you will appreciate what it is capable of, like averaging the DI pH of the total grain bill and displaying the percentages of each grain entered. It is both powerful and very easy to use, a win/win for every homebrewer interested in getting the most out of their brewing water.

Re: ezBrewingWater-RO©

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:07 pm
by Beer-lord
How close have you found your version to your actual mash ph? And, I know you posted it, but please tell me again what brand/model of meter you have.

Re: ezBrewingWater-RO©

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:25 pm
by BlackDuck
Great, I'll take a look at it also.


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Re: ezBrewingWater-RO©

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:25 pm
by ScrewyBrewer
Beer-lord wrote:How close have you found your version to your actual mash ph? And, I know you posted it, but please tell me again what brand/model of meter you have.
I bought the HI98121 Combo tester, a bit pricey at the time but the meter has proved to be worth it. The pH bulb, through my own fault, was allowed to dry out making it impossible to get an accurate reading. After ordering a new bulb, some cleaner and fresh storage solution the meter is as good as new again.
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HANNA INSTRUMENTS HI98121 PH/Orp Tester Combo

This release calculates pH by averaging the DI pH values of every grain that is entered. It supports grain name and DI pH value changes, so that you can enter your favorite grain type and assign it your own favorite DI pH value. Recently I conducted DI pH test of my own by finely grinding 40 grams of Briess Specialty Malt and mixing it into 100 milliliters of 125F RO water. After mashing the grains for 20 minutes at 122F, I cooled a wort sample to 77F and took a pH reading. Using a pH meter, recently calibrated in the 4.01 to 7.01 range, the test sample had a pH reading of 4.58. That was 0.13 lower than the generic 4.71 DI pH value listed for 'Roasted Malt'.

accurate as compared against Brewer's Friend and ezWaterCalculator. based on the information that is fed into it.

Re: ezBrewingWater-RO©

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:28 pm
by ScrewyBrewer
The actual pH of today's strike water after adding in brewing salts and acid read 6.20. When entering the grain bill and target water properties into ezBrewingWater-RO, the calculated mash pH was 5.39. The pH meter had just been calibrated, the water and wort temperatures were both at 77F when all pH readings were recorded. Yet there was a difference of pH .81 between the strike water pH and the calculated mash pH.
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So as it turned out in the end, the grain came to the rescue by adding enough acid to bring the mash pH down to 5.39, just as ezBrewingWater-RO had predicted. The wort OG was 1.063, about a .05 higher than I had hoped for and the beautiful brown color of the wort just says drink me all day long. I had such an enjoyable brew day today, I just wanted to share it with you too.

Re: ezBrewingWater-RO©

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:23 pm
by Beer-lord
Awesome Vince. Looks as perfect as could be. I'm sure it will turn out just as you wanted. Please let us know when you get to enjoy this beer.

Re: ezBrewingWater-RO©

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:07 am
by MadBrewer
At a glance, it seems this is geared for BIAB or no sparge brewing?

Re: ezBrewingWater-RO©

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:33 am
by ScrewyBrewer
MadBrewer wrote:At a glance, it seems this is geared for BIAB or no sparge brewing?
I wouldn't think so. Since the inputs to ezBrewingWater-RO© are grain type, weight and water volume the calculations should be the same for single vessel to three tier brewing systems.

Re: ezBrewingWater-RO©

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:48 am
by LouieMacGoo
Vince, have you tested this in Google Sheets? It looks like it should work but I'm getting a few errors. Not sure how much it would take for you to get this working in Google but it might be nice to have it available as an online app this way.
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Re: ezBrewingWater-RO©

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:58 am
by ScrewyBrewer
LouieMacGoo wrote:Vince, have you tested this in Google Sheets? It looks like it should work but I'm getting a few errors. Not sure how much it would take for you to get this working in Google but it might be nice to have it available as an online app this way.
I have tested it on Google Sheets and it is not compatible with it, it does not work with OfficeLibre either as I found out from someone this morning. Unfortunately I currently do not have any plans, or more importantly the time, to re-code ezBrewingWater-RO© so that it will support those platforms.

Re: ezBrewingWater-RO©

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:02 am
by LouieMacGoo
ScrewyBrewer wrote:
LouieMacGoo wrote:Vince, have you tested this in Google Sheets? It looks like it should work but I'm getting a few errors. Not sure how much it would take for you to get this working in Google but it might be nice to have it available as an online app this way.
I have tested it on Google Sheets and it is not compatible with it, it does not work with OfficeLibre either as I found out from someone this morning. Unfortunately I currently do not have any plans, or more importantly the time, to re-code ezBrewingWater-RO© so that it will support those platforms.
Understandable, I was just wondering.

Nice job on this tool by the way. I appreciate you sharing your work with everyone. :urock:

Re: ezBrewingWater-RO©

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:25 am
by Beer-lord
It's pretty much the simplest calculator for water treatment out there. Of course if you're not using distilled or RO water, then this version won't help you but for those of us that do, it's much quicker. And while I've yet to use it (will test it this Friday) I have no doubt that it's accurate.
Vince, you should put it up for donation somewhere. I'd gladly donate for using this.