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Interesting but not sure they'll make their goal. My opinion is that it's too 'test tubey' to me.
Beer in 7 days? C'mon man!
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I'm with you....7 days? Really. Why do these new "techy" type brew systems always toot their horn that they can make awesome beer in a week or so? I just feel that brewing is a couple week process in order to get it right. It is what it is...deal with it. Be patient.
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Could it be that other people have found that it doesn't take that much time? Keep in mind that not everyone brews the same way.BlackDuck wrote:I'm with you....7 days? Really. Why do these new "techy" type brew systems always toot their horn that they can make awesome beer in a week or so? I just feel that brewing is a couple week process in order to get it right. It is what it is...deal with it. Be patient.
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That's very possible. I just think in order to make "good" beer it takes longer. It might make beer, but I have trouble believing that it's as good as commercially made beer.denny wrote: Could it be that other people have found that it doesn't take that much time? Keep in mind that not everyone brews the same way.
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It just depends.
If it can do temperature control very precisely based on fermentation conditions and knowledge of the yeast strains preferences, and it's making a "real ale" at temperatures the yeast actually likes to operate at, and they provide enough happy yeast, then it might actually be able to pull it off for beers that aren't too high of an OG.
I could make a mild or bitter or such that is good in 7 days even with my way of doing it if I could force carb it. Lots of my beer, even stronger 1.05-1.06ish stuff, at 10 days would be good to drink if I could force carb it, and I don't have that exact temperature control, I just pitch a lot of yeast and ferment in a general temperature range that I know the yeast actually likes.
Lots of my beer is good right out of the fermenter in those timeframes, if I was willing to drink it like a gravity poured cask ale.
If it can do temperature control very precisely based on fermentation conditions and knowledge of the yeast strains preferences, and it's making a "real ale" at temperatures the yeast actually likes to operate at, and they provide enough happy yeast, then it might actually be able to pull it off for beers that aren't too high of an OG.
I could make a mild or bitter or such that is good in 7 days even with my way of doing it if I could force carb it. Lots of my beer, even stronger 1.05-1.06ish stuff, at 10 days would be good to drink if I could force carb it, and I don't have that exact temperature control, I just pitch a lot of yeast and ferment in a general temperature range that I know the yeast actually likes.
Lots of my beer is good right out of the fermenter in those timeframes, if I was willing to drink it like a gravity poured cask ale.
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For traditional homebrewing setups, you're right—a week is not nearly enough time to produce good beer. However, 6 to 9 days from grain to glass is normal for commercial craft breweries. The difference is due to commercial craft breweries monitoring the fermentation progress closely and adjusting temperature multiple times to maximize yeast activity and minimize time spent in the brewery's fermenters.
Once again, I like that we have options as brewers but this is not for me. I love the hands on approach to brewing and never rush and plan my brew days. But I can see the market for something like this.With BEERMKR's CO2 monitoring system, it can detect when yeast move from stage to stage, and it will adjust the temperature automatically to keep the yeast in their optimal flavor-producing state.
It does seem like they almost doubled their pledges since this morning. And, I can see the counter moving as I type this. Maybe the Borg is buying in huge quantities!
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If they want you to pitch that whole 11.5g pack of 05 they show in the kit it won't take long at all to ferment a 1 gallon batch.denny wrote:Could it be that other people have found that it doesn't take that much time? Keep in mind that not everyone brews the same way.
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I agree with Inkleg (and by extension, denny). I think it's entirely possible that they could get a gallon (actually a little more than a gallon) fermented in a week with a full pack of US-05.
I think it's kind of a cool concept, especially for people who are really busy. It's kind of costly, though. It looks like their kits run about $12 apiece, which would be a little more than $50 for a 5 gallon batch. They do say that the pouches will be available for around $2 (less in bulk), so you could create your own recipes (but the pouches would add almost $10 to the cost of a 5 gallon batch).
Never mind. I just went to Midwest (now owned by AbInbev; stating this now so nobody has to chime in later) and many of their 5 gallon kits are in the $50 range and the 1 gallon kits are more costly than these. I guess I'm just spoiled by buying ingredients in bulk and using lots of my homegrown hops.
Another potential market for something like this would be people who can't lift/maneuver the heavy pots and so forth required for a 5 gallon batch. I'm not there yet, but I'm not getting any younger, and I can envision a time when I won't be able to lift the pipe out of the Mash and Boil. I think my mom could manage to move the pieces required for this around.
I think it's kind of a cool concept, especially for people who are really busy. It's kind of costly, though. It looks like their kits run about $12 apiece, which would be a little more than $50 for a 5 gallon batch. They do say that the pouches will be available for around $2 (less in bulk), so you could create your own recipes (but the pouches would add almost $10 to the cost of a 5 gallon batch).
Never mind. I just went to Midwest (now owned by AbInbev; stating this now so nobody has to chime in later) and many of their 5 gallon kits are in the $50 range and the 1 gallon kits are more costly than these. I guess I'm just spoiled by buying ingredients in bulk and using lots of my homegrown hops.
Another potential market for something like this would be people who can't lift/maneuver the heavy pots and so forth required for a 5 gallon batch. I'm not there yet, but I'm not getting any younger, and I can envision a time when I won't be able to lift the pipe out of the Mash and Boil. I think my mom could manage to move the pieces required for this around.
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If nothing else, this makes me want to try an experimental batch where I just throw the grains in the mash & boil with the full volume of water BIAB style (minus the boil off amount) set it at 1000 watts / 150 degrees, walk away for 90 minutes, pull the basket, and then throw in some steam hops (steamhops.com) or hop oil that will get me the IBUs I want + whatever other flavor/aroma hops, put the lid back on, turn it off and walk away, then pitch some yeast in the AM. It would slow-chill a hella lot faster from 150 degrees to pitching temp.
(if you read their faq you will see what I am talking about, this is pretty much what they are doing except for the no-chill part and all the fancy monitering/temp control, and supposedly making beer).
It will either work and be awesome and save a lot of time, or else their entire concept will fail, because the rest of that stuff doesn't matter if this kind of mash / no boil doesn't work.
(if you read their faq you will see what I am talking about, this is pretty much what they are doing except for the no-chill part and all the fancy monitering/temp control, and supposedly making beer).
It will either work and be awesome and save a lot of time, or else their entire concept will fail, because the rest of that stuff doesn't matter if this kind of mash / no boil doesn't work.
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Whether or not this makes commercial-quality beer in 7 days....
Whether or not this is a way to involve busy people or people with limited space or people who can't lift....
Whether or not this is good for the environment....
Whether or not this is the future of home brewing....
Whether or not this is just another option so you pays yer money and takes yer choice....
It makes me feel like a guy who spent years training and researching and working like a dog to be able to climb a mountain, and finally conquering all the setbacks and hardships to get to the summit only to find some smug douchebag who took a helicopter standing there claiming he got there first.
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They've met their goal.
I'm actually tempted by this, although I'm not sure I want a system that will only brew a 12 pack at a time. Still, it would be interesting to have a true "set it and forget it" option. But I may just go this route:
I just reread the page, and then clicked through to the steamhops page. There's no reason that couldn't work, although I think you might want to give it more than 90 minutes. I also just reread all of the comments. You could even do that with regular hops. You'd just need to use something like 5x as many.
I'm tempted to resurrect one or two of my LBKs and do something like this. I've got a freezer full of pellet and homegrown hops, so I'll probably just go the route of using 5x as many hops (cheaper to use 5 oz of $4.47/lb hops than 1 oz of $3/oz hops).
I'll probably reuse a yeast slurry.
If you do this, let us know how it goes. If I do it, I'll update.
I'm actually tempted by this, although I'm not sure I want a system that will only brew a 12 pack at a time. Still, it would be interesting to have a true "set it and forget it" option. But I may just go this route:
mashani wrote:If nothing else, this makes me want to try an experimental batch where I just throw the grains in the mash & boil with the full volume of water BIAB style (minus the boil off amount) set it at 1000 watts / 150 degrees, walk away for 90 minutes, pull the basket, and then throw in some steam hops (steamhops.com) or hop oil that will get me the IBUs I want + whatever other flavor/aroma hops, put the lid back on, turn it off and walk away, then pitch some yeast in the AM. It would slow-chill a hella lot faster from 150 degrees to pitching temp.
(if you read their faq you will see what I am talking about, this is pretty much what they are doing except for the no-chill part and all the fancy monitering/temp control, and supposedly making beer).
It will either work and be awesome and save a lot of time, or else their entire concept will fail, because the rest of that stuff doesn't matter if this kind of mash / no boil doesn't work.
I just reread the page, and then clicked through to the steamhops page. There's no reason that couldn't work, although I think you might want to give it more than 90 minutes. I also just reread all of the comments. You could even do that with regular hops. You'd just need to use something like 5x as many.
I'm tempted to resurrect one or two of my LBKs and do something like this. I've got a freezer full of pellet and homegrown hops, so I'll probably just go the route of using 5x as many hops (cheaper to use 5 oz of $4.47/lb hops than 1 oz of $3/oz hops).
I'll probably reuse a yeast slurry.
If you do this, let us know how it goes. If I do it, I'll update.
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I think the reason these systems promote the idea that you get a finished beer in 7 days is that they are targeting the total newbie who needs instant gratification. Even 7 days is a long wait for most non-brewers.
Most people aren’t willing to wait 3 weeks (give or take) for their reward after brewing. When you bake or cook you get results in an hour.
Most people aren’t willing to wait 3 weeks (give or take) for their reward after brewing. When you bake or cook you get results in an hour.
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@BPGreen, the "downside" of 5x as many regular hops for IBUs, vs. a hop shot or the steam hops would be all the extra flavor/aroma you are going to get from them. It would probably be great if you were making an IPA or NEIPA or what not, but not so much if you were trying to make a German lager. For those you would need 60 minute steam hops, or a hop shot/hop oil aau injector.
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Good point. I used to drink beers that were pretty light in terms of flavor, but I've grown to like IPAs and APAs, so I tend to brew/drink a lot of those.mashani wrote:@BPGreen, the "downside" of 5x as many regular hops for IBUs, vs. a hop shot or the steam hops would be all the extra flavor/aroma you are going to get from them. It would probably be great if you were making an IPA or NEIPA or what not, but not so much if you were trying to make a German lager. For those you would need 60 minute steam hops, or a hop shot/hop oil aau injector.
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I'll just say, " not for me". I too enjoy the process and time investment to brew my own. If I wanted beer that fast, I'd just go buy it [emoji6].
FD - We all have our opinions but I'm not "getting" yours. Maybe if it we're a race to the top of the mountain (or to brew the quickest brew), but as-is I'm not sure why how anybody else brews makes them a douche.
Aren't you always saying, "if you like the end result, then you did it right?" ....or something similar?
Mash and Boil, Mr. BEER, BrewDemon, this, Grainfather, Pick, etc......none of them impact how *I* brew or my enjoyment so to each their own.
Again, this isn't for me as it robs me of the fun of creation which is part of that "hands on" feel that I think BL mentioned earlier.
And I'm not on my high horse here, but we've always said this place is for anybody who brews regardless of HOW they brew so let's not have any new folks thinking we look down upon anybody that doesn't brew our way.
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FD - We all have our opinions but I'm not "getting" yours. Maybe if it we're a race to the top of the mountain (or to brew the quickest brew), but as-is I'm not sure why how anybody else brews makes them a douche.
Aren't you always saying, "if you like the end result, then you did it right?" ....or something similar?
Mash and Boil, Mr. BEER, BrewDemon, this, Grainfather, Pick, etc......none of them impact how *I* brew or my enjoyment so to each their own.
Again, this isn't for me as it robs me of the fun of creation which is part of that "hands on" feel that I think BL mentioned earlier.
And I'm not on my high horse here, but we've always said this place is for anybody who brews regardless of HOW they brew so let's not have any new folks thinking we look down upon anybody that doesn't brew our way.
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