Mashani Made Monks Mad Curse of the Holy Roman Empire Gruit
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Mashani Made Monks Mad Curse of the Holy Roman Empire Gruit
So, I was going to leave this in the other thread, but *$&*$ happened, so this now deserves its own LOL.
So this is my attempt at a more "monks beer" version of the Holy Roman Empire style Gruit. I used some different herbs, and the grain bill has a good bit of oats, as I used a bit more then 3/4ths a gallon of the "Monks Juice" I mashed up the other day as a PM base. If you search "Monks Juice" or look in the what are you brewing thread you will see what that is but basically 42% oats (1/3rd of which was unmalted and slightly toasted), 29% wheat (half of which was oak smoked), and 29% barley (half of which was unmalted). I boiled that mash for around 90 minutes to concentrate it a bit more then normal and ended up with a bit under 2 gallons of 1.070 wort. My efficiency wasn't great, but I didn't figure it would be as that was a pretty gummy mash with lots of adjunct. During the boil, I actually pre-hopped that stuff, so I could short boil this beer. So it had enough Northern Brewer added during it's boil to give me about 8 AAUs per 3 gallons of dilution. Yes, I basically made my own HME, except it's not evaporated as much. I'll use the other half in something else.
So added to that for 3 gallons was:
2# MoreBeer Extra Light LME
extra water to bring to volume
1.5 grams Mugwort
1.5 grams Culinary Lavender
1.5 grams Marjoram (this will give me piney/citrusy bits instead of the Juniper that I used in the other beer, which I am out of)
1.0 grams Rosemary
0.75 grams Sage
0.75 grams Wormwood
1 rock salt rock, crushed
I pulverized all of that and it all that @5
Dry Abbaye yeast.
This gave me a 1.046 wort.
The herbs before I pulverized them.
So now the fun?curse?revenge? part. So I'm brewing this, I figured I'd do a 15 minute boil, since the PM was already boiled plenty. 5 minutes into the boil, it looked just fine, no foaming issues seemed to be safe. So go to mix up sanitizer. Come back upstairs and it's foaming over the edges of the pot all the sudden for no reason. Hurray. Clean that up. 10 minutes into the boil pitch in the herbs. And watch carefully. So ok, safe now, turn off heat and start to chill it.
So back to sanitizer. Get my Mini Cooper pour some sanitizer into the fermenter, put lid on shake the crap out of it, damn thing goes flying out of my hands and splatters all over the floor, lid covered with cat and dog hair inside and out... so wash it off... try again. Success. So now you have to sanitize the outside of the "krausen collar" before you put it in to make sure the sanitizer gets to that surface everywhere, so I do that, then insert it into fermenter, add rest of sanitizer, shake the crap out of it... goes flying out of my hands, krausen collar and lid go flying into various corners of the room, covered with cat and dog hair again. HUUURAY! (the word I actually uttered starts with F and rhymes with muck).
So now I'm out of sanitizer, so I mix up another jug of it... pick up the jug and it goes flying out of my hands and crashes into the floor and the jug explodes and splashes sanitizer all over my entire lower body and feet. Word as above, but with 'ing and A added to the end.
So I mix up yet another jug of it and go jump in a cold shower to wash off that stuff.
So then finally I manage to sanitize everything without disaster, wort is cool, so I bring the mini cooper upstairs and start to rack the wort to the fermenter, and about half way into it the visiting dog starts to chase cat who for no particular reason decided that at that very instant it would try to sneak past... cat then jumps over the baby gate I put up to keep dogs out of the kitchen, up on the counter from where I'm racking and waves its tail over the edge (directly over the open fermenter), then jumps down onto the ledge below where I have fermenter, puts his paws on top of the lip of the open fermenter and looks inside to see what I'm doing...
I made cat butt ale once some folks might remember, but this is taking it to another level.
So, this beer is so infected. Hopefully with just a giant glob of my brett, but only the ghost of the Holy Roman Emperor or whichever of his spectral merry monk minions are messing with me knows for sure.
Hopefully the full pack of very fresh Abbaye I pitched into it out competes most of it, or some compound in the herbs makes it very sad.
Maybe they just wanted me to make it more authentic LOL.
So this is my attempt at a more "monks beer" version of the Holy Roman Empire style Gruit. I used some different herbs, and the grain bill has a good bit of oats, as I used a bit more then 3/4ths a gallon of the "Monks Juice" I mashed up the other day as a PM base. If you search "Monks Juice" or look in the what are you brewing thread you will see what that is but basically 42% oats (1/3rd of which was unmalted and slightly toasted), 29% wheat (half of which was oak smoked), and 29% barley (half of which was unmalted). I boiled that mash for around 90 minutes to concentrate it a bit more then normal and ended up with a bit under 2 gallons of 1.070 wort. My efficiency wasn't great, but I didn't figure it would be as that was a pretty gummy mash with lots of adjunct. During the boil, I actually pre-hopped that stuff, so I could short boil this beer. So it had enough Northern Brewer added during it's boil to give me about 8 AAUs per 3 gallons of dilution. Yes, I basically made my own HME, except it's not evaporated as much. I'll use the other half in something else.
So added to that for 3 gallons was:
2# MoreBeer Extra Light LME
extra water to bring to volume
1.5 grams Mugwort
1.5 grams Culinary Lavender
1.5 grams Marjoram (this will give me piney/citrusy bits instead of the Juniper that I used in the other beer, which I am out of)
1.0 grams Rosemary
0.75 grams Sage
0.75 grams Wormwood
1 rock salt rock, crushed
I pulverized all of that and it all that @5
Dry Abbaye yeast.
This gave me a 1.046 wort.
The herbs before I pulverized them.
So now the fun?curse?revenge? part. So I'm brewing this, I figured I'd do a 15 minute boil, since the PM was already boiled plenty. 5 minutes into the boil, it looked just fine, no foaming issues seemed to be safe. So go to mix up sanitizer. Come back upstairs and it's foaming over the edges of the pot all the sudden for no reason. Hurray. Clean that up. 10 minutes into the boil pitch in the herbs. And watch carefully. So ok, safe now, turn off heat and start to chill it.
So back to sanitizer. Get my Mini Cooper pour some sanitizer into the fermenter, put lid on shake the crap out of it, damn thing goes flying out of my hands and splatters all over the floor, lid covered with cat and dog hair inside and out... so wash it off... try again. Success. So now you have to sanitize the outside of the "krausen collar" before you put it in to make sure the sanitizer gets to that surface everywhere, so I do that, then insert it into fermenter, add rest of sanitizer, shake the crap out of it... goes flying out of my hands, krausen collar and lid go flying into various corners of the room, covered with cat and dog hair again. HUUURAY! (the word I actually uttered starts with F and rhymes with muck).
So now I'm out of sanitizer, so I mix up another jug of it... pick up the jug and it goes flying out of my hands and crashes into the floor and the jug explodes and splashes sanitizer all over my entire lower body and feet. Word as above, but with 'ing and A added to the end.
So I mix up yet another jug of it and go jump in a cold shower to wash off that stuff.
So then finally I manage to sanitize everything without disaster, wort is cool, so I bring the mini cooper upstairs and start to rack the wort to the fermenter, and about half way into it the visiting dog starts to chase cat who for no particular reason decided that at that very instant it would try to sneak past... cat then jumps over the baby gate I put up to keep dogs out of the kitchen, up on the counter from where I'm racking and waves its tail over the edge (directly over the open fermenter), then jumps down onto the ledge below where I have fermenter, puts his paws on top of the lip of the open fermenter and looks inside to see what I'm doing...
I made cat butt ale once some folks might remember, but this is taking it to another level.
So, this beer is so infected. Hopefully with just a giant glob of my brett, but only the ghost of the Holy Roman Emperor or whichever of his spectral merry monk minions are messing with me knows for sure.
Hopefully the full pack of very fresh Abbaye I pitched into it out competes most of it, or some compound in the herbs makes it very sad.
Maybe they just wanted me to make it more authentic LOL.
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Mash, Mash, Mash. You have helped so often with sage advice that it pains me to point out that you cannot brew like a Medieval Monk without wearing a robe, shaving your head, and lighting a candle. A big wooden cross and some chanting at least. And no, your Olde English vulgarity does not count.
Rest assured that they used cat yeast in old monasteries. My dad told me.
Rest assured that they used cat yeast in old monasteries. My dad told me.
Making beer and stew for the Zombie Apocalypse.
Never mind, there it is.
Never mind, there it is.
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Oh my goodness....what a day. It's going to be interesting to see how this one turns out. You may need to have your house exorcised to remove the old bastard spirit that caused all this!!
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Conditioning and Carbing
Fermenting
On Deck
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Dave, you may need help. I mean with a shaman.
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Take some of that left over sage and smudge the house....
Now, do it now!
Now, do it now!
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Pretty interesting story Dave, but when are are you gonna tell us what went wrong with the beer/brewing day?
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Inkleg wrote:Pretty interesting story Dave, but when are are you gonna tell us what went wrong with the beer/brewing day?
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FIRETRUCK!!HUUURAY! (the word I actually uttered starts with F and rhymes with muck).
I know that one!
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YES! I think it was a BIG Firetruck!bpgreen wrote:FIRETRUCK!!HUUURAY! (the word I actually uttered starts with F and rhymes with muck).
I know that one!
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I like firetrucks.
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What goes in hard and pink and comes out soft and sticky?
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A baked apple? Irish pasta? Alcoholic brain?
Just kidding. Gum.
Just kidding. Gum.
Making beer and stew for the Zombie Apocalypse.
Never mind, there it is.
Never mind, there it is.
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By now I would have expected the surface to start looking like an Alcoholic Brain, but it has not. Somehow this appears to not be infected, or the combination of herbs made everything in small quantities sad, I dunno. It's done too, I've just been letting it sit to see if any pellicle forms. But no signs of it so far. I'll likely bottle this soon.John Sand wrote:Alcoholic brain?
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Now that's funny. I was answering BPG's joke. Let us know how the brew works out.
Making beer and stew for the Zombie Apocalypse.
Never mind, there it is.
Never mind, there it is.
Re: Mashani Made Monks Mad Curse of the Holy Roman Empire Gr
This is bottled. It finished at 1.008. Been there for a while. No pellicle formed, and it doesn't taste infected by anything not even my house Brett. How that did not happen, I don't know. Or else the herbs and my Brett don't get along.
The sample tasted really good, and beer could be consumed as is, which is really how it should be because that's likely what they did with stuff like this.
It is more fruity and less spicy then the Abbot beer. It is lighter in color since I didn't toss in any roasted grain. It has a slight but noticeable oaty-sweet vibe behind the bitterness and fruit, which I was liking a lot when drinking the hydro sample. Mouthfeel was a bit creamy which was also nice. Sort of like oatmeal with a bit of cream and fruit. So yeah, I'd believe it to be liquid sustenance if I was a medieval monk.
I carbed it lightly for a Belgian same as I did with the Abbot version.
I'll probably open a bottle in 2 weeks, I'd go sooner but want any bottling sugar fermentation flavors cleaned up since I am an acetaldehyde super taster.
But I think this is going to be a winner and even better then the Abbot version (which I actually do like quite a lot!).
The sample tasted really good, and beer could be consumed as is, which is really how it should be because that's likely what they did with stuff like this.
It is more fruity and less spicy then the Abbot beer. It is lighter in color since I didn't toss in any roasted grain. It has a slight but noticeable oaty-sweet vibe behind the bitterness and fruit, which I was liking a lot when drinking the hydro sample. Mouthfeel was a bit creamy which was also nice. Sort of like oatmeal with a bit of cream and fruit. So yeah, I'd believe it to be liquid sustenance if I was a medieval monk.
I carbed it lightly for a Belgian same as I did with the Abbot version.
I'll probably open a bottle in 2 weeks, I'd go sooner but want any bottling sugar fermentation flavors cleaned up since I am an acetaldehyde super taster.
But I think this is going to be a winner and even better then the Abbot version (which I actually do like quite a lot!).